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zhuk 12-14-2010 07:50 AM

Criminal behaviour sets the benchmark for society
Not sure if this is exactly the right forum...but I thought this was an excellent post from a local firearms forum, and was worth putting it here, unedited.


Laws that criminalise conduct not wrong in itself to prevent crime before it occurs makes the behaviour of criminals the measure of the rights and freedoms that the law will permit to the innocent law abiding gun owner. Semi automatic rifles, pump action shotguns and other banned firearms are considered dangerous in the hands of criminals, thus no one shall have them.

These laws tell the law-abiding that their rights and freedoms depend not on their own conduct, but on the conduct of the lawless,the law will thus only permit the law-abiding to have only such rights and freedom as criminals will allow.

Firearms laws or in fact any law which restricts the freedom of the law-abiding because of the behaviour of the guilty in no sense "fights" crime. Australias law makers has allowed its fear of crime, craving for safety, to turn the force of law against the law abiding. So, far from fighting crime the crminalisation of otherwise innocent activities shows us a society in retreat from crime. This then is a society accommodating itself to crime.

Society should instead be outraged over crime and strongly direct its energies against criminals. A righteously indignant society would resolve to surrender no ground or forfeit no freedoms to the lawless.

Society does not control crime ever by forcing the law abiding to accommodate themselves to the expected behaviour of criminals. Society controls crime by forcing criminals to accommodate themselves to the expected behaviour of the law abiding.

Our law makers as usual take the easy way out and nail the innocent once again with more pointless laws and restrictions. Knee-jerk reaction politics (Howard take note) and a feeding frenzy media perpetuate all of the above.

Blighs comment on the recent Goldcoast gun incidents - If the gunlaws of this state need looking at we will do that. It will do nothing to stop the criminal missuse of firearms or them obtaining the same.

The message from the lawmakers seems to be that of attack the innocent gunowner and punish him/her for the actions of the criminal, not attacking the real issues, for they are too hard. Most pollies have no balls, remember the vote on Howards gun laws, what a farce, they all caved in to monetary blackmail for the states.

The ban mentality of our pollies does nothing to fight crime - the drug problem is worse now than ever before, yet drugs are banned.

Just my 2 bobs worth of rant.

(my emphasis)

bkt 12-14-2010 10:16 AM

That's very astute and clear, and at the same time obvious.

So is it that lawmakers are dumb as doorknobs, or is their objective to control the populace? In the case of building lame cases for firearms restrictions or outright bans, it's the latter, IMO.

zhuk 12-14-2010 10:33 AM

Yeah not even politicians could be that dumb. And hence the law-abiding are brought down to the lowest common denominator of the criminal, for base political gain.

Neophyte1 12-14-2010 12:37 PM

seem odd
reading 1 in 10 people are incarcerated in the US ( me don't know what to believe)
using basic math; 300million populace 10% are controling the mass
doesn't that seem odd, to politicians; or are they afraid; the 90% will protect themselves
I have issues with vigilantism, on the other hand, known criminals should be dealt with quickly and efficently.

were you to read; cost to keep each of these in prison per year, free medical, free room, free food, free legal, free'free'free; for committing crime.

When returned to society, I wonder what % return to their criminal ways

10% based on some numbers I read through an FBI thing, are controlling society/freedom. hmmm

opaww 12-14-2010 02:11 PM

The concept of, " punish the whole for the sins of the few" is every where the social-ists/commun-ists are and the U.S. has them too.

schwefel 12-14-2010 02:43 PM

This is the same attitude taken with (psudo)ephidrine. Beause of the meth heads, a very effective OTC drug was effectively banned. It was not "banned" for efficacy, side effects or anything that the average person would consider rational. It was "banned" because it can be used to make meth. Which is great, now there are no more meth labs. Oh, wait...

The mentality of punish everyone for the sins of a few is not just limited to 2A issues. It is the easy way out for lawmakers, though.

zhuk 12-14-2010 09:00 PM


Originally Posted by opaww (Post 402918)
The concept of, " punish the whole for the sins of the few" is every where the social-ists/commun-ists are and the U.S. has them too.

And I always find it ironic that the laws criminalising us in this respect were brought in by a conservative Govt.

Davyboy 12-14-2010 09:26 PM

Imagine what would happen if the will of the public was actually tested in a referendum. Latest poll in England " Would you bring back the death penalty for child and serial killers " 92% YES. THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. Ignored

alsaqr 12-15-2010 11:59 AM


This is the same attitude taken with (psudo)ephidrine. Beause of the meth heads, a very effective OTC drug was effectively banned.

It is nearly impossible for a law abiding citizen to get Sudafed in OK. The small drugstores sell Sudafed out the back door to meth makers at several times the going price. This year a Lawton, OK druggist, Haskell evans, was arrested for selling Sudafed at six times the going rate to meth cookers: The scumbag sold enough Sudafed to make 50 pounds of meth.

While folks go to jail for being addicted to meth, there is always an out for the fat cats and the politically connected. The OK attorney general made an un-holy plea bargain with druggist Haskell Evans, who was a member of the OK Board of Health. Evans would have spent no time in jail and would have gotten probation for committing 7 felonies. But a Lawton judge said hell no and set a trial date. Judge Aycock took the unusual step of disqualifying the OK attorney general's office from further participation in this case.

Former Pharmacist Going To Trial After All - KAUZ-TV: NewsChannel 6 Now | Wichita Falls, TX

A former Lawton pharmacist will be going to trial after all.


That's at the order of a Comanche County Judge for Haskell Evans Junior. Despite a plea deal with state prosecutors, Judge Keith Aycock refused to dismiss the charges against Evans.

The judge has set trial for September 27th. You'll remember state prosecutors made a deal with Evans and his attorney where they agreed to accept his guilty plea to three lesser charges. Evans was supposed to receive a deferred sentence as part of the deal.

AIKIJUTSU 12-16-2010 12:24 PM

Since many politicians are themselves supported by powerful criminals, they are doing what they can to disarm the public. I.e., working to "keep the streets safe for criminals". But they somehow include clauses in their legislation that make themselves exempt from the laws they impose upon the rest of us.

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