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Old 07-10-2014, 08:49 PM   #21
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i have always heard great things about upstate NY from everyone who has been there. damn shame what NYC does to decent folk. keep fighting the good fight. i feel really bad for upstate NY.
Thanks Hawk, I will add, sadly we have lost a few good NYers (a couple here on FTF) to other places that just couldnt afford to stay here and we do miss them, I hope they do well where they end up, Im certain they will be a positive addition to the places they go.

Upstate is a whole different world than the place that is shown 90% of the time to represent us all. NY City is so much more like three Liberal states its closer to than where I live. CJ's point about Rural Rats not voting in the numbers they need to is all too true. I vote every time but many are very isolated, unaware of what the big city is trying to give us without our knowledge and think if they just go about there day like they have for there entire lives, they will be left alone.

Ive seen signs that is not the case now. The Safe Act has shaken the hills, fields, woods and valleys that supply the Food, NRG and Water NYC needs to live and Its about time we start making them pay the real price for it in cash and control of our great state. We upstaters own 90% of the private land in NY, not NYC; land is king and key, they are going to see a little different vote next time, I dont think you will see many on the sidelines this time..
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hay hay...take it easy, my bro! THAT"S ONE THING! name anything else in texas gun law (other than open carry of handguns) that isn't very decent! overall, in both law and culture...its pretty dang gun friendly in texas.

and honestly, i don't get the vibe from any gun owners i know in texas that they are worried about open carry of handguns at all. i'm not.

and also....watch what you say about texas until you at the very least become a texas transplant! you have been warned.....
Well lets see here.

Texas Carry Laws.


The State of Texas Violates the second Amendment in the following places.

A place of business that derives 51% or more of its income from the sale or service of alcoholic
beverages for on premises consumption
 On premises of a correctional facility
 On the physical premises of a school or educational institution, any grounds or building on which an
activity sponsored by a school or educational institution is being conducted, or a passenger
transportation vehicle of a school or educational institution, whether the school or educational
institution is public or private,
 On the premises where a high school, collegiate or professional sporting event of interscholastic
event is taking place, unless the license holder is a participant in the event and a handgun is used in
the event
 On the premises of a polling place on the day of an election or while early voting is in progress.
 racetrack; secured area of an airport
 In any government court or offices utilized by the court, unless pursuant to written regulations or
written authorization of the court.
 *on the premises of a church, synagogue, or other established place of religious worship.
 *On the premises of a Hospital licensed under the Health and Safety Code
 *On the premises of a nursing home licensed under the Health and Safety Code
 *Amusement parks. Amusement Parks means a permanent indoor or outdoor facility or park where
amusement rides are available for use by the public that is located in a county with a population of
more than one million, encompasses at least 75 acres in surface area, is enclosed with access only
through controlled entries, is open for operation more than 120 days in each calendar year, and has
security guards on the premises at all times. The term does not include any public or private
driveway, street, sidewalk or walkway, parking lot, parking garage, or other parking area.
 Public or private premises conspicuously posted with a Sign that meets these Criteria.
 Items above marked * Do not apply if the actor was not given effective notice under Section 30.06.


Restrictions on licensed concealed carry[edit]
While a permitted resident of Texas (or a nonresident holding a recognized permit) is generally authorized to carry concealed in most public places, there are State and Federal laws that still restrict a permit holder from carrying a concealed weapon in certain situations. These include:

Federal buildings - Premises owned by the U.S. Federal Government or its agencies for the purpose of any official business of the Federal Government are covered by Federal statutes that supersede State law. It is illegal in general under said statutes to possess a firearm while in any such location, and possession of a State-issued concealed firearms permit is no defense. Such places commonly encountered include post offices, Federal courts, and offices of the IRS, FBI, Justice Department, Department of Energy, USDA, FDA, etc. A rider tied to the 2009 Federal CARD Act has restricted the Department of the Interior from enacting or enforcing restrictions on carry of arms within lands controlled by the Bureau of Land Management; CHL permittees may carry concealed while in a federal park or wildlife preserve contained wholly or partially within the borders of the State of Texas. However, Army Corps of Engineers properties (including all reservoir lakes and included park areas) are still off-limits.

Schools - Concealed carry in a school may be a felony under TPC section 46.03: "A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly possesses or goes with a firearm, illegal knife, club, or prohibited weapon listed in Section 46.05(a): …on the physical premises of a school or educational institution, any grounds or building on which an activity sponsored by a school or educational institution is being conducted, or a passenger transportation vehicle of a school or educational institution, whether the school or educational institution is public or private, unless pursuant to written regulations or written authorization of the institution [emphasis added]."[9] The age/grade level, funding type or for-profit status of the school does not matter. Carry of a concealed weapon while in a public outdoor area surrounding an educational building is permitted; as defined by TPC 46.035(f)(3), "premises" refers only to a building or part of a building, and does not refer to driveways, streets, sidewalks, parking lots, parking garages, or privately owned vehicles.[8]

Public sporting events - It is a Class A misdemeanor to carry while inside a building currently being used for an interscholastic or professional sporting event, unless the person carrying is a participant in the sporting event and said sporting event requires the use of the firearm (i.e. a target shooting competition).

Businesses posting a compliant "51% sign" - It is a felony to carry a firearm while on the premises of a business that makes more than 51% of its revenue from the sale of alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption (colloquially "bars", "nightclubs", "taverns", "saloons", etc.). A person with a CHL that is in violation has a defense that the establishment did not post the proper signage, as required by the Government Code section 411.204. The proper signage contains similar language as is required of all liquor license holders, but with the addition of a couple of words to prohibit licensed as well as unlicensed carry, and a background containing a red "51%" to make it obvious at a glance that the sign applies to CHL holders.

Correctional facilities - It is a felony, whether licensed or not, to carry inside a building generally termed a "jail" or "prison".
Courts or court offices - It is a felony, whether licensed or not, to carry inside a building used by a functioning municipal, state or federal court for official business. Exceptions are granted to certain employees of those offices, such as judges, attorneys, baliffs, and law enforcement officials.
Election polling places - It is a felony, whether licensed or not, to carry inside a building being used as a polling center for any municipal, state and/or federal elections process on the scheduled voting date or while polling is underway. This is significant, as a local business or other generally public building, which would normally not prohibit concealed carry, may offer their facilities for use as a polling place. A person would be in violation if they entered the building on the day voting occurs, even if the polls are not open at the time, and even if the license holder is there for some other purpose than to vote.

Racetracks - It is a felony, whether licensed or not, to carry a firearm on the premises of a racetrack (horse or dog).
While intoxicated - CHL holders may not carry in any place or at any time while intoxicated (Penal Code 46.035.), defined as: (a) not having the normal use of mental or physical faculties by reason of the introduction of alcohol, a controlled substance, a drug, a dangerous drug, a combination of two or more of those substances, or any other substance into the body; or (B) having an alcohol concentration of 0.08 or more (Penal Code 49.01.)


Almost looks like Chicago, in the Great State of Texas Don't it?

IMO Texas with it's Open Carry laws and it's "activists" have done more damage to the Second Amendment and the Constitution that Chicago could ever do.

Chicago does what Chicago does, and most of the Damage stays in Chicago. Texas and it's citizens on the other hand have taken their anti-second Amendment fight to the streets of America and The Corporate world and have lost every battle.

One simple "Unconstitutional Texas Law" has become a nation wide debate and because of Texas Law, the Citizens of America are on the loosing end.

Thanks Texas.
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if they keep going at it enough, they will bankrupt Chicago!
We can only hope!!!
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We can only hope!!!
I hope for no such thing. A bankrupted City is no different then a Bankrupted State (CA), or even a bankrupted Auto Manufacturer(GM). To big to fail means to big to go bankrupted, that means Obama to the rescue.. Federal funding (My Money) to bail out this corrupt city and the IDIOTS that continue to vote for Democrats, so they can continue to do Business as Usual.
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well, you could join OC texas i suppose....

honestly, with the exception of a few states...not having the ability to carry in bars, gov buildings, schools, etc is pretty damn standard.

and i am afraid your info on hospitals, churches, etc is OUTDATED, my friend.

come stay awhile, my old friend. texas is very gun friendly place to live.


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Well lets see here.

Texas Carry Laws.


The State of Texas Violates the second Amendment in the following places.

A place of business that derives 51% or more of its income from the sale or service of alcoholic
beverages for on premises consumption
 On premises of a correctional facility
 On the physical premises of a school or educational institution, any grounds or building on which an
activity sponsored by a school or educational institution is being conducted, or a passenger
transportation vehicle of a school or educational institution, whether the school or educational
institution is public or private,
 On the premises where a high school, collegiate or professional sporting event of interscholastic
event is taking place, unless the license holder is a participant in the event and a handgun is used in
the event
 On the premises of a polling place on the day of an election or while early voting is in progress.
 racetrack; secured area of an airport
 In any government court or offices utilized by the court, unless pursuant to written regulations or
written authorization of the court.
 *on the premises of a church, synagogue, or other established place of religious worship.
 *On the premises of a Hospital licensed under the Health and Safety Code
 *On the premises of a nursing home licensed under the Health and Safety Code
 *Amusement parks. Amusement Parks means a permanent indoor or outdoor facility or park where
amusement rides are available for use by the public that is located in a county with a population of
more than one million, encompasses at least 75 acres in surface area, is enclosed with access only
through controlled entries, is open for operation more than 120 days in each calendar year, and has
security guards on the premises at all times. The term does not include any public or private
driveway, street, sidewalk or walkway, parking lot, parking garage, or other parking area.
 Public or private premises conspicuously posted with a Sign that meets these Criteria.
 Items above marked * Do not apply if the actor was not given effective notice under Section 30.06.


Restrictions on licensed concealed carry[edit]
While a permitted resident of Texas (or a nonresident holding a recognized permit) is generally authorized to carry concealed in most public places, there are State and Federal laws that still restrict a permit holder from carrying a concealed weapon in certain situations. These include:

Federal buildings - Premises owned by the U.S. Federal Government or its agencies for the purpose of any official business of the Federal Government are covered by Federal statutes that supersede State law. It is illegal in general under said statutes to possess a firearm while in any such location, and possession of a State-issued concealed firearms permit is no defense. Such places commonly encountered include post offices, Federal courts, and offices of the IRS, FBI, Justice Department, Department of Energy, USDA, FDA, etc. A rider tied to the 2009 Federal CARD Act has restricted the Department of the Interior from enacting or enforcing restrictions on carry of arms within lands controlled by the Bureau of Land Management; CHL permittees may carry concealed while in a federal park or wildlife preserve contained wholly or partially within the borders of the State of Texas. However, Army Corps of Engineers properties (including all reservoir lakes and included park areas) are still off-limits.

Schools - Concealed carry in a school may be a felony under TPC section 46.03: "A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly possesses or goes with a firearm, illegal knife, club, or prohibited weapon listed in Section 46.05(a): …on the physical premises of a school or educational institution, any grounds or building on which an activity sponsored by a school or educational institution is being conducted, or a passenger transportation vehicle of a school or educational institution, whether the school or educational institution is public or private, unless pursuant to written regulations or written authorization of the institution [emphasis added]."[9] The age/grade level, funding type or for-profit status of the school does not matter. Carry of a concealed weapon while in a public outdoor area surrounding an educational building is permitted; as defined by TPC 46.035(f)(3), "premises" refers only to a building or part of a building, and does not refer to driveways, streets, sidewalks, parking lots, parking garages, or privately owned vehicles.[8]

Public sporting events - It is a Class A misdemeanor to carry while inside a building currently being used for an interscholastic or professional sporting event, unless the person carrying is a participant in the sporting event and said sporting event requires the use of the firearm (i.e. a target shooting competition).

Businesses posting a compliant "51% sign" - It is a felony to carry a firearm while on the premises of a business that makes more than 51% of its revenue from the sale of alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption (colloquially "bars", "nightclubs", "taverns", "saloons", etc.). A person with a CHL that is in violation has a defense that the establishment did not post the proper signage, as required by the Government Code section 411.204. The proper signage contains similar language as is required of all liquor license holders, but with the addition of a couple of words to prohibit licensed as well as unlicensed carry, and a background containing a red "51%" to make it obvious at a glance that the sign applies to CHL holders.

Correctional facilities - It is a felony, whether licensed or not, to carry inside a building generally termed a "jail" or "prison".
Courts or court offices - It is a felony, whether licensed or not, to carry inside a building used by a functioning municipal, state or federal court for official business. Exceptions are granted to certain employees of those offices, such as judges, attorneys, baliffs, and law enforcement officials.
Election polling places - It is a felony, whether licensed or not, to carry inside a building being used as a polling center for any municipal, state and/or federal elections process on the scheduled voting date or while polling is underway. This is significant, as a local business or other generally public building, which would normally not prohibit concealed carry, may offer their facilities for use as a polling place. A person would be in violation if they entered the building on the day voting occurs, even if the polls are not open at the time, and even if the license holder is there for some other purpose than to vote.

Racetracks - It is a felony, whether licensed or not, to carry a firearm on the premises of a racetrack (horse or dog).
While intoxicated - CHL holders may not carry in any place or at any time while intoxicated (Penal Code 46.035.), defined as: (a) not having the normal use of mental or physical faculties by reason of the introduction of alcohol, a controlled substance, a drug, a dangerous drug, a combination of two or more of those substances, or any other substance into the body; or (B) having an alcohol concentration of 0.08 or more (Penal Code 49.01.)


Almost looks like Chicago, in the Great State of Texas Don't it?

IMO Texas with it's Open Carry laws and it's "activists" have done more damage to the Second Amendment and the Constitution that Chicago could ever do.

Chicago does what Chicago does, and most of the Damage stays in Chicago. Texas and it's citizens on the other hand have taken their anti-second Amendment fight to the streets of America and The Corporate world and have lost every battle.

One simple "Unconstitutional Texas Law" has become a nation wide debate and because of Texas Law, the Citizens of America are on the loosing end.

Thanks Texas.
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I don't lie in Texas or Arizona but visiting there and talking with Relatives and then things in the news it is clear the Folks from Ny and the Northeast and California are bringing their agendas there. Arizona from Tucson west is just a California suburb and the drug gangs and others are just escaping to where they think they can operate in the open. They are bringing the garbage attitudes to wherever they go.
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