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Old 06-30-2012, 02:25 AM   #21
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Michigan- a teaser only. Bedford- D Day. Seguin- John Coffee Hays Ogden- Moses. Research, and the balance is left as an exercise for the student.

And yes, there was a reason for those cities- and there are a LOT of others.

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Dawsonville, GA
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I first thought that you listed these cities because they had something in common. Such as scenes where guns were confiscated from citizens. I have no idea how they are all linked though.

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I hung up my badge before many of the current LEOs were born. MY answer would have been a flat NO. I feel that MOST LEOs would have the same answer- BUT- I do believe the answer will be geographically driven.

Bedford Virginia, Dawsonville GA, Grand Junction CO, Odgen UT, Seguin Tx, Buffalo WY- be sure to let me know how that works out for ya, because I don't think you would have much success.

Baltimore, Philadelphia, San Franciso, the answer likely to be quite different- and unappealing.
I too, retired before most of the current LEO's were born. I would have refused to do it then and if in my power, would not allow it to happen now.
I took an OATH then and still live by it today. I do believe though that some of the younger LEO's today, have no understanding of the OATH that they took and what it means. I have seen those types and they are the ones that are a danger to us all. Most of them are on a power trip behind the badge and a disgrace to the profession.

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I wouldn't do it. I would have to give up all my "non" work guns. That ain't happening.

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Im in college to become a cop at the moment but if I was told to confiscate law abiding citizens legal guns then I would have a pretty hard time paying back my college fees without a job.
and this is the trap the Govt has so cunningly laid out. A "real" job in the "civilian" world is not at all attractive to LEO's therefore they will do what they are told,when they are told, without question.

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The LEO's in new orleans didn't have a problem violating the constitution during katrina. The problem is indeed the "lawful order" Without looking I guarantee there are several more states that allow the confiscation of firearms during an emergency.

It has to go beyond the hopeful discretion of honorable LEO's. A handful of states (including Oregon yay!) did amend their constitutions to specifically ban the practice of firearm confiscation during times of emergency. Unfortunately, it took the events of the katrina gun grab to prompt action. I would urge everyone to look into so-called "emergency powers" in their state and take action.
Indiana is one of those.
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Michigan- a teaser only. Bedford- D Day. Seguin- John Coffee Hays Ogden- Moses. Research, and the balance is left as an exercise for the student.

And yes, there was a reason for those cities- and there are a LOT of others.
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To confiscate firearms in america is a suicide mission. I spent 10 years as a LEO,if i had ever gotten an order to go from door to door confiscating firearms i would have refused. A LEOs job is dangerous enough as it is, add firearms confiscation into the equazion.

That can of worms that i wouldnt want to open
I've never been LEO, don't have the temperament for that line of work but respect and appreciate those who do. Veteran Citizens like myself don't really need Cops because we are prepared to see to our safety and when possible always look to do so in a legal manner.

One of my greatest fears in life is a political situation that pits the honorable members of American law enforcement against the equally honorable "and in many cases better trained" Veteran Citizens of our nation.

Were our Government ever to reach the conclusion that I could no longer be trusted with my gun, I would have no choice but decide that they could no longer bs trusted with there office.

The scary part is while I believe most officers would side with Mr Wray, C3, and others, there IS going to be the rookie who follows that order to his death.

Refusing an order to confiscate is one thing, refusing to help catch a cop killer however, is an entirely different matter.

As a Soldier I could have easily walked away from my job but NEVER could I have walked away from a fallen comrade and not done everything in my power to kill his attacker. ^^THIS^^ is the broken crutch that justifies confiscation and ensures all out violent revolt.

Scary stuff.

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You are right. That would probably be the catalyst. Working at the prison, I sometimes find myself taking another officers side, even though he/she is either wrong or just not right. In actions I'll take an officers side, even though I mentally side with the inmate simply because I know even though he is an inmate doesnt automatically mean he wrong.

Afterward, I pull him/her to the side and tell them that I have their back, but that they had it all wrong. I never let the inmate know that I agreed with him though.

In prison it is sort of an us versus them mentality. If a large scall incident is taking place, you need to have confidence that those around you have your back, at that they know you have their back. But I work around those were 100% of them are convicted felons. I can see cops also having that us versus them mentallity. However, cops need to realize the the "them" I refer to is a very small percentage out in society. I could envision it getting out of hand.

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Sure hope we never see it.

I'm certain many cops would be either honorable enough or smart enough to walk away rather than becoming a walking target once this bee hive is kicked over.

However, just as we've seen in times of war, when the manpower drops the recruiting standard follow and in short order we'd have a fresh crop of 100% thugs in blue taking up the mantle.

The term Patriot would be replaced with the term Terrorist and the running gunfights would plague Americas street indefinitely.

I highly doubt either side could win this battle which over time would reduce America to no more than another in the long line of failed states.

This is the possible future we all hope to never see, but one that all of us, who swore to uphold and defend the constitution, must be prepared to embrace.

I'm the mean time, please vote for the most pro gun candidate available. Winning at the ballot box is the only hope we have of not needing to reach for the ammo box.

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