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Old 04-13-2013, 01:07 PM   #21
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OK just here you woldent get a job near a school before being vetted. Just because you were in Afghanistan or elsewhere doesn't qualify you to guard children some come home with mental problems etc.
Yeah schools not a great place to go for these folks until they have had plenty of time to adjust.
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Said this before. We've got thousands of Iraq and Afghanistan vets who need work, are already fully trained and experienced. That's the untapped resource for this job.
True, and I know there are some with LEO experience that went into teaching. With a little additional training and set rules it would not be difficult to establish a security individual at each and every school. That could either be a teacher, administrator, service personnel or hired employee exclusively for that purpose.

It is my belief that if that security requirement was in place back in December, Adam Lanza would never have even attempted to enter the Sandy Hook School. He was a sociopath and would not have initiated a confrontation if he had any doubt that he could not have complete control of the situation.
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I had a job in the recent past, in air and water balance that had me working almost exclusively in schools and I noticed the same thing. Never once was a door locked, just a sign saying 'visitors check in at office'. Was the same no matter the school, elementary, high school or college. I was able to just walk in unchecked every single time. If I'd have had evil on my mind, I could have EASILY done some serious damage. To me, it's unacceptable that we keep our material valuables under lock and key...sometimes gun...yet the most innocent and precious resource is the most vulnerable.

I suppose I get the whole guns in school argument...I guess...but damn how about some freakin' common sense here!! We lock our houses when we leave, we lock our car doors when we park but leave a school WIDE OPEN and yet nothing is being done about it!?!?! I guess a law has to be passed before a door can be locked...unacceptable

Not like a secure door is a foolproof deterrent but if someone can waltz right in, or just break some glass and have at it unchallenged, that's a BIG problem...

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Excellent post...the media n politicians n everyone else points the fingers at firearms blah blah blah...I have a 3 month old daughter I'd rather have better school security than for guns to be outlawed anyday. Doing so will not solve the issue with protecting our children! Security in schools is the answer, anyone can walk in and do something harmful and it is sickening and very horrifying to think about!

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I'm thankful this thread has grown. It's nice to see so many sane people in agreement. Keep fighting the good fight. I hope that if a "shtf" scenario ever happens, we can all meet like minded people and protect our families together. I'm proud to be on the good guys side.

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Yeah schools not a great place to go for these folks until they have had plenty of time to adjust.
One such vet is a local LEO and a firearms instructor (and a generally good guy, IMO); he was recently diagnosed with the PTSD. Docs told him that he would've noticed it sooner, but he went into policework where it is less troublesome/noticeable. I'd let that guy watch kids in a heartbeat; they would be very well protected.
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The lib dirtbags in the federal government and in Connecticut welcome the vulnerability of these kids. They would dearly love for another mass shooting to happen in that state. That would give them more fodder to use to support a big-time gun ban. I know that is hard to believe, but there are those whose agenda doesn't include safety of the kids, just any excuse to tighten government control over the public.

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...there are those whose agenda doesn't include safety of the kids, just any excuse to tighten government control over the public.
That's not too far a stretch when you look at the fact that the same politicians in Connecticut that pushed for the most stringent gun laws were the same politicians that voted in an "Early Release Program" a few years ago that allows convicted felons out of prison early. Over 7,500 prisoners have been released from their sentences early through this program and many have been the violent criminals with a history of rape and assault. At least two innocent citizens in Connecticut have been murdered by criminals that took part in this program and commited the murders within two weeks of their release.

Makes me wonder sometimes why there is more and more interest in rights of criminals and less and less on rights of law abiding citizens.
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Think about the children!!! While your busy doing just that they will do their dirty deeds against us! My kids are grown but if they werent, they would be home schooling! When the Politicians and School Admin refuse to protect our kids after requiring we turn them over daily to them, I refuse to send them my living heirs so they can send them back dead! I prefer a live uneducated kid to a smart dead one but thats just me!

Locks only keep honest people honest, they do nothing to keep bad people from doing worse things. I prefer the doors of our schools be unlocked actually but only if there is a trained armed observer on the other side prepared to turn bad intent into good fertilizer at a moments notice! Besides, school shooters are primarily teens that have nothing but time to consider how they will do their evil deed once they are convinced they must do it. Locked doors dont stop backpacks with bottles of gasoline and a bic lighter. It boggles my mind to think that our leaders think our kids are so stupid that they cant figure that out.

Does anyone really think the Columbine Massicrators or Sandy Hook Monster would have been stopped by not getting their hands n manufactured firearms, really???? The Columbine punks had Propane Bombs on them, if they couldnt get guns, they might have taken the time to make sure they actually worked. The Scene as it played out on TV would have looked much different if there was a crater left where the building stood.

It interesting that Republicrats can identify a weopon of mass destruction for terrorists but they think kids are too stupid to do the same thing. Time to take a little multiple guess test, 5 easy questions-

1) Terrorists use what device to kill most of their intended victims-

A- Molotov Cocktails and other simple incendiary products
B- Improvised Explosive Devices made from common available off the shelf devices
C- U-hauls, Planes, Trains and Automobiles
D- All of the above

2) What do Terrorists and School Shooters have in common other than killing the most people possible?

A- Few financial resources, proceeds used to buy weaponry are obtained secretly and in short supply
B- Limited mobility without observation, keen awareness they are being watched all the time
C- No fear of reprisal or death, just dont want to be stopped before they have finished their deed
D- All of the above

3) Laws restricting Legal ownership of Firearms will

A- Limit the possible civilian responses by the 99% well intentioned citizen to terrorist acts against innocent people
B- Limit the possible civilian responses by the 99% well intentioned citizen to criminal acts against innocent people
C- Limit the possible civilian responses by the 99% well intentioned citizen to Government tyrannical acts against citizens
D- All of the above

4) Schools fund Birth Control, Ski Lessons, Trips to Europe but not Security Guards because

A- They are educated idiots of the highest order
B- They look to Government as the answer to everything
C- Our Schools are breading grounds for Socialism over Constitutionalism.
D- All of the Above

5) Lawmakers ramming these foolish ideals in our kids craws all fear

A- A citizenry empowered by our BOR's
B- Anyone carrying a gun without the Government seal of approval in the bearers wallet
C- A full term in office without their names on a few new laws For Our Own Good
D- All of the above

Not one single solution has been enacted that will stop a musket ball or a bomb once ignited, Proper Security is the only answer and its the one they left out in their Orwellian doctrine. Weve had lots of time to consider the reactions our lawmakers have made to stop the lawbreakers from killing our most important resource, they get a F minus for their useless driveling of FOOG legislation. NY schools are no safer for kids today with the Unsafe act than they were before. If anything, they are in more danger of less possible respondents in a case like Sandy Hook!

Ive said it before, I will say it again, you gotta hit them where it counts, right in the wallets! When the schools see a drop in enrollment, they will get it and our kids will get security guards finally!

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I always find it sad that the same people that promote taxpayer funded universal healthcare for everyone, including welfare recipients that could work and illegal aliens, are the same ones against taxpayer funded universal security in our schools.

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