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Old 01-20-2013, 01:58 PM   #671
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Maybe we should just ban Democrats, Liberals, Progressives
and Statists from owning any type of firearm?

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I like that, good plan.
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One of the big outcomes of each shooting tragedy is a call to limit the size of magazines. What do they think is accomplished by limiting the size of magazines?

Is it the idea that the shooter will have to spend more on the magazines and will therefore have fewer of them?

Is it the idea that the shooter will have to change magazines more frequently and may become vulnerable during the changes?

Is it the idea that the shooter will have more weight to carry for the same amount of ammo?

I don't ask because I think any of these ideas are valid, in fact I think none of these ideas are valid. I ask because knowing the purpose behind an action allows me to make a rational response when discussing the subject.
the idea behind the magazine capacity limit is that if you accept 7 now ... next time it will be 5 If you accept 5 ... next time it will be 3 If you accept 3 ... next time it will be 1 The gun control agenda has no other reason for insisting on magazine capacity than to reduce the effectiveness of resistance to single shot rifles What is more likely to happen ... a group of 300 armed citizens resisting tyranny or 1 person with (10) 30rd mags?

Another factor for the 7 limit right now is that it will not affect bird hunting ... 7rds in a shotgun. I have already heard half a dozen duck hunters from NY say "I don't care, the new law doesn't affect me" since Cuomo signed the new law on Tuesday. Politicians know that if they were to come out and require 5rd limits, or 3rd limits or a 1rd limit that the number of gun owners pushing back would be four fold what it is now
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The story is they grabbed the guy is Arizona who shot the congress women when he was changing mags.
OK, thanks for that. By the way, that shooting was the only shooting I know of that occurred someplace other than a gun-free zone. Does anyone know of other shootings outside of GFZs?

So "more frequent reloading = more vulnerability to resistance" is a possible rationale for reducing magazine sizes. Resistance presumes the ability of the people at the point of the attack to resist. School shootings, especially grade school shootings, occur in places where most of the people at the point of the attack are children! The small number of adults in the vicinity are the natural first targets. The resistance by bystanders during reloading was possible in the Arizona incident because there were a substantial number of physically capable people in the vicinity.

Resistance during reloads cannot be provided by adults outside the classroom who are physically remote from the shooter unless those adults outside the classroom are ARMED! A thorough post-mortem of most shooting incidents (and this Conn. school shooting in particular) would probably conclude that one way to reduce casualties would be to allow responsible adults in the vicinity to be armed.

I'm not saying this post or even this entire thread is in any way a thorough post-mortem, just saying that such a study should be performed. And, in my opinion, that study should not conclude that reducing magazine size was the only corrective action. One of the other corrective actions should be allowing responsible adults in a school to be armed.
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the idea behind the magazine capacity limit is that if you accept 7 now ... next time it will be 5 If you accept 5 ... next time it will be 3 If you accept 3 ... next time it will be 1 The gun control agenda has no other reason for insisting on magazine capacity than to reduce the effectiveness of resistance to single shot rifles What is more likely to happen ... a group of 300 armed citizens resisting tyranny or 1 person with (10) 30rd mags?

Another factor for the 7 limit right now is that it will not affect bird hunting ... 7rds in a shotgun. I have already heard half a dozen duck hunters from NY say "I don't care, the new law doesn't affect me" since Cuomo signed the new law on Tuesday. Politicians know that if they were to come out and require 5rd limits, or 3rd limits or a 1rd limit that the number of gun owners pushing back would be four fold what it is now
I agree that sequence of events is more likely the real reason behind the magazine limits. Forcing the gun grabber to admit to that ignoble reason is possible only after being able to refute their other "reasons".
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the idea behind the magazine capacity limit is that if you accept 7 now ... next time it will be 5 If you accept 5 ... next time it will be 3 If you accept 3 ... next time it will be 1 The gun control agenda has no other reason for insisting on magazine capacity than to reduce the effectiveness of resistance to single shot rifles What is more likely to happen ... a group of 300 armed citizens resisting tyranny or 1 person with (10) 30rd mags?

Another factor for the 7 limit right now is that it will not affect bird hunting ... 7rds in a shotgun. I have already heard half a dozen duck hunters from NY say "I don't care, the new law doesn't affect me" since Cuomo signed the new law on Tuesday. Politicians know that if they were to come out and require 5rd limits, or 3rd limits or a 1rd limit that the number of gun owners pushing back would be four fold what it is now
Also the idea in handguns is the revolver and not the devil semiauto
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My next revolver if they want to play that game...lol.
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Here's a strange twist for ya!

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Yeah, cause students, teachers, and mothers make excellent security consultants.
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That is an excellent pro-2A movement, a professional police force felt
they needed a semi-automatic rifle to properly defend children in school.

So you can easily make the arguement that civilians need the same type
of rifle to defend our family, home and property.
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