[kelzebubba]

Originally Posted by tCan

I think it's important to recognize that guns have incredible symbology both positive and negative. And since we can't put the genie back in the bottle, it is imperative that we attempt to maximize the positive and minimize the negative.

Currently, in this country, a wedge has been driven between the two. We're squabbling about non-issues that have little to no real world impact and both sides are in an uproar about it. I think if we set aside philosophy were sensible we'd recognize that the two biggest problems we face today with crime is a lack of enforcement of current legislation and a growing irresponsibility about the health of our society. If we could get people to take responsibility for their own kids, their own education, their own mental health instead of worrying about what our neighbor thinks or how the government can "fix it", the lack of enforcement wouldn't even really be an issue. And passing more laws certainly won't do a bit of good if we don't first address this.

I think that a good old fashion butt whooping would solve a lot of the brats issues. The problem is that there are a lot of parents that think spanking is a one size fits all solution. When in turn that is the only thing the government seems to be able to come up with. That approach typically fails.

I do agree with you though, too many people including Pepe LePue of the NRA want to point the finger at anything other than the real issue, which is the people that did it. Not tv, not video games, not guns, but people. I am telling you, mutual combat laws in all states and dueling would go a long ways for a polite society. People would keep their mouth shut if they didn't believe in dying for what they were fighting for. I sort of like the idea. But then again the strong would repress the weak.

[msup752]

What a non USA citizen thinks about gun control means absolutely nothing to me. If others want to trade liberty for the illusion of safety, that is their business. I don't want a government that tells me how to do just about everything and watches every step I take.
Nevermind that London has double the violent crime rate of NYC! Ignorance is bliss!

[ScottA]

Deleted several posts that started with a troll-rant. First post trolling is a sure path to getting banned.

[Wiebelhaus]

As a supporting member in good standing I'd like to vote to ban that troll... he said "I hate guns, they are the weapons of cowards" he has no need or use or purpose in any capacity on these boards then, ban him please, thanks.

[AIKIJUTSU]

Originally Posted by Wiebelhaus

As a supporting member in good standing I'd like to vote to ban that troll... he said "I hate guns, they are the weapons of cowards" he has no need or use or purpose in any capacity on these boards then, ban him please, thanks.

Thanks Weibelhaus. It appears that the offending post has been deleted, as was my not-so-complimentary reply to him. As you say, if he's a radical gun-hater he is on the wrong forum.
Have a good day.

[Wiebelhaus]

Originally Posted by AIKIJUTSU

Thanks Weibelhaus. It appears that the offending post has been deleted, as was my not-so-complimentary reply to him. As you say, if he's a radical gun-hater he is on the wrong forum.
Have a good day.

Thank you.

[AIKIJUTSU]

Originally Posted by ScottA

Deleted several posts that started with a troll-rant. First post trolling is a sure path to getting banned.

Thank you, sir. We have enough of that stuff to deal with on the daily news. Thanks for doing your part to keep this forum a place for people who are interested in guns to enjoy.

[Daoust_Nat]

I have to admit, I was a tad incensed about that post, and did not get a change to reply. Probably better that way.

[kelzebubba]

Originally Posted by tCan

In the hands of citizens, the primary use of guns is to procure food. The secondary, but more important, use would be self-defense against both criminals and government - (if you can draw a distinction )

To procure food, is to kill. Even though it is an animal, you have to kill it. As self defense, pulling one out and waving it around isn't it's purpose. It is to maim or destroy the offender you are defending against.

Someone else mentioned going to a range. I guess practicing on a silhouette target isn't maiming anything but the target, but it is still practicing within the confines of making sure you are able to kill, maim, or destroy whatever you are shooting at. (Technically speaking you do destroy a paper target).

Anyone who argues that guns are not tools of destruction is foolish. When that bullet hits anything, it tends to hurt, destroy, kill, or maim whatever it hits. It does not create fluffy clouds and unicorns puking rainbows.

Grant it sometimes what it hits deserves it. But I do find that guns are typically the cowards weapon of choice. I remember being pistol whipped by a former room mate when I found out he was not spending the rent money on rent. Reason he pistol whipped me, because if a fist fight he would have lost despite being bigger than me. He was a coward.

Of course if they do ban guns, or just "assault weapons", I think the destruction and loss of life will only increase. IEDs and other home made explosives are easy to make and easy to conceal. Once the guns are gone from all of us, the crazies will come out of the woodwork in droves. We will know what it is like in Israel. So I do not wish to see that.

[ScottA]

Originally Posted by kelzebubba

To procure food, is to kill. Even though it is an animal, you have to kill it. As self defense, pulling one out and waving it around isn't it's purpose. It is to maim or destroy the offender you are defending against.

Someone else mentioned going to a range. I guess practicing on a silhouette target isn't maiming anything but the target, but it is still practicing within the confines of making sure you are able to kill, maim, or destroy whatever you are shooting at. (Technically speaking you do destroy a paper target).

Anyone who argues that guns are not tools of destruction is foolish. When that bullet hits anything, it tends to hurt, destroy, kill, or maim whatever it hits. It does not create fluffy clouds and unicorns puking rainbows.

Grant it sometimes what it hits deserves it. But I do find that guns are typically the cowards weapon of choice. I remember being pistol whipped by a former room mate when I found out he was not spending the rent money on rent. Reason he pistol whipped me, because if a fist fight he would have lost despite being bigger than me. He was a coward.

Of course if they do ban guns, or just "assault weapons", I think the destruction and loss of life will only increase. IEDs and other home made explosives are easy to make and easy to conceal. Once the guns are gone from all of us, the crazies will come out of the woodwork in droves. We will know what it is like in Israel. So I do not wish to see that.

I made a mistake earlier when I incorrectly assumed that kelzebubba was using "cowards" as a means of illustration. It is now clear that he intends to brand all gun owners in general. He won't be around anymore.