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I hate guns. I think they are chiefly the weapons of cowards. I also know that their only purpose is to maim, kill, and destroy. Say what you will but that is their purpose.

Going with that, this issue is just like a religion. Just because I believe that way doesn't mean everyone else does. So I own a few guns. I fire them at the range every once in a while, and I clean them after every shoot. Keep this in mind though, you can pass laws saying it is illegal but does that really help.

1. Murder is illegal - yet these guys are killing people anyways, so that law was quite useless
2. Possession of a weapon with intent to commit a crime is illegal - yet that doesn't stop them from getting one.

Then you have the "well this is what we feel it meant" people on the second amendment. I don't care two shakes for what anyone other than the people who wrote the constitution meant it to mean. They wrote several papers and such after the forming of the constitution stating that it was to keep the militia (which at the time of writing was citizens, not military) armed as well as the government soldiers so that the government could not become tyrannical, the ultimate in checks and balances. The government making any laws preventing the citizens from owning guns is a severe conflict of interest and is not constitutional. They felt so strongly about it they even wrote that it shall not be infringed in any way, not every amendment got that treatment.

The problem with the way our constitution is setup is the question of where does ones rights end and the others begin was never clearly laid out. But the second amendment, shall and should never be infringed.

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Just to throw this in while I'm thinking about it, the night of this tragedy, my daughter received one of those 'automated phone call alerts' from the principal my granddaughter goes to asking parents to not let the children see this incident on the news so as not to scare the children. I thought it was a good idea.

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I hate guns. I think they are chiefly the weapons of cowards. I also know that their only purpose is to maim, kill, and destroy. Say what you will but that is their purpose.

Going with that, this issue is just like a religion. Just because I believe that way doesn't mean everyone else does. So I own a few guns. I fire them at the range every once in a while, and I clean them after every shoot. Keep this in mind though, you can pass laws saying it is illegal but does that really help.

1. Murder is illegal - yet these guys are killing people anyways, so that law was quite useless
2. Possession of a weapon with intent to commit a crime is illegal - yet that doesn't stop them from getting one.

Then you have the "well this is what we feel it meant" people on the second amendment. I don't care two shakes for what anyone other than the people who wrote the constitution meant it to mean. They wrote several papers and such after the forming of the constitution stating that it was to keep the militia (which at the time of writing was citizens, not military) armed as well as the government soldiers so that the government could not become tyrannical, the ultimate in checks and balances. The government making any laws preventing the citizens from owning guns is a severe conflict of interest and is not constitutional. They felt so strongly about it they even wrote that it shall not be infringed in any way, not every amendment got that treatment.

The problem with the way our constitution is setup is the question of where does ones rights end and the others begin was never clearly laid out. But the second amendment, shall and should never be infringed.
While you would be correct in saying that guns have been primarily developed as military instruments, you would be wrong in saying that their only purpose is to maim and kill. In the hands of citizens, the primary use of guns is to procure food. The secondary, but more important, use would be self-defense against both criminals and government - (if you can draw a distinction )

I am glad though that you respect and understand the Constitution.
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I hate guns. I think they are chiefly the weapons of cowards. I also know that their only purpose is to maim, kill, and destroy. Say what you will but that is their purpose.

Going with that, this issue is just like a religion. Just because I believe that way doesn't mean everyone else does. So I own a few guns. I fire them at the range every once in a while, and I clean them after every shoot. Keep this in mind though, you can pass laws saying it is illegal but does that really help.

1. Murder is illegal - yet these guys are killing people anyways, so that law was quite useless
2. Possession of a weapon with intent to commit a crime is illegal - yet that doesn't stop them from getting one.

Then you have the "well this is what we feel it meant" people on the second amendment. I don't care two shakes for what anyone other than the people who wrote the constitution meant it to mean. They wrote several papers and such after the forming of the constitution stating that it was to keep the militia (which at the time of writing was citizens, not military) armed as well as the government soldiers so that the government could not become tyrannical, the ultimate in checks and balances. The government making any laws preventing the citizens from owning guns is a severe conflict of interest and is not constitutional. They felt so strongly about it they even wrote that it shall not be infringed in any way, not every amendment got that treatment.

The problem with the way our constitution is setup is the question of where does ones rights end and the others begin was never clearly laid out. But the second amendment, shall and should never be infringed.
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While you would be correct in saying that guns have been primarily developed as military instruments, you would be wrong in saying that their only purpose is to maim and kill. In the hands of citizens, the primary use of guns is to procure food. The secondary, but more important, use would be self-defense against both criminals and government - (if you can draw a distinction )

I am glad though that you respect and understand the Constitution.
I have to agree with tCan to a certain extent.

Kelzeabubba, you say that you "know that their only purpose is to maim, kill, and destroy. Say what you will but that is their purpose." yet you also say that you do visit the range with your guns. Tell us now, what exactly do you "maim, kill and destroy" at your range?

Personally none of my guns have ever been used to maim or destroy while in my ownership, though some of them have been used to kill, as I am a hunter. I guess you could make the argument that I have "destroyed" life in those cases, but that might be an insult to me (that is if I really gave a damn about your opinion on the matter, which I do not.)

Guns do serve many non-destructive uses, but first and foremost they serve as a tool of defense. If you are being completely honest with yourself you must admit that all sports are a form of battle, and all sports were originally derived from activities that were commonly used to "maim, kill and destroy" people.

Then there is tCan's argument, that firearms are used primarily to procure food. This, in my omnivorous mind, is a form of self-preservation. One must eat in order to survive.
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It is really rather simply. Weapons provide that slim margin between the slave and the free man.

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I think it's important to recognize that guns have incredible symbology both positive and negative. And since we can't put the genie back in the bottle, it is imperative that we attempt to maximize the positive and minimize the negative.

Currently, in this country, a wedge has been driven between the two. We're squabbling about non-issues that have little to no real world impact and both sides are in an uproar about it. I think if we set aside philosophy were sensible we'd recognize that the two biggest problems we face today with crime is a lack of enforcement of current legislation and a growing irresponsibility about the health of our society. If we could get people to take responsibility for their own kids, their own education, their own mental health instead of worrying about what our neighbor thinks or how the government can "fix it", the lack of enforcement wouldn't even really be an issue. And passing more laws certainly won't do a bit of good if we don't first address this.

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Currently, in this country, a wedge has been driven between the two. We're squabbling about non-issues that have little to no real world impact and both sides are in an uproar about it. I think if we set aside philosophy were sensible we'd recognize that the two biggest problems we face today with crime is a lack of enforcement of current legislation and a growing irresponsibility about the health of our society. If we could get people to take responsibility for their own kids, their own education, their own mental health instead of worrying about what our neighbor thinks or how the government can "fix it", the lack of enforcement wouldn't even really be an issue. And passing more laws certainly won't do a bit of good if we don't first address this.
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