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Old 12-15-2012, 04:51 AM   #201
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My friends, we now find ourselves in the same position that American Muslims were in after 9/11; damned and targeted by the actions of the demented. And just as those maniacs used religion as a tool to facilitate their deadly action, this lunatic has used firearms to achieve his insane goals. After the twin-towers fell, there were many who bellowed loud and long that all Muslims should be made to suffer for the acts of the few and that Muslims did little to condemn the attacks. Now we, the owners, users and supporters of firearms and the Second Amendment will feel the lash of ignorant and illogical arguments aimed at us as a group and as individuals. Guns are easy targets at times like this; they are loud, dangerous, rude, and require education to understand and use effectively. The fact is the majority of our fellow American citizens may go through life without ever having touched, much less fired, a gun! Other than in movies and on television, guns are pretty much a non-issue in their lives until they are touched by the effects of firearms. Usually that is in the form of crime against themselves or a loved-one or friend; and often that results in people coming to our community in an effort to defend themselves and their families and we welcome them.
But this event will also touch this nation in ways that will make our lives as gun-people far more difficult. This event has touched little children as they sat in school; something that strikes a primal chord deep within people and makes them think of the actions of a madman as an attack on what our species considers more important than all else: our children, the future of mankind. Because of this perception, we as a community involved with firearms will be assaulted with arguments that no amount of Second-Amendment rationalization can satisfy. For that reason we must be prepared to take steps to answer a Nation burning with pain and looking for someone and something to blame and finding firearms a convenient and easy target for their rage. I will assure you that all that "..cold-dead hand!" hyperbole will be totally useless against the firestorm of outrage that is coming. I will also assure you that the Second-Amendment is no bulwark against the sight of parents grieving for children cut down in the dawn of life and that image, no matter how illogical; will haunt us for many days to come.
Right now we need to understand the mood of our nation and prepare with all the compassion and intelligence we can muster to defend this way of life of ours that has been so grievously damaged by a maniac's impulse.
God bless and guide us in the difficult days ahead. - David Bolin

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Old 12-15-2012, 05:06 AM   #202
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If only one person had a pistol there, 20+ kids can go home and kiss their parents. Its sad. The world has to realize the man with the gun is not the criminal. But the man willing to sin for unholy pleasure is.

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God bless those children. And their families. No justice would ever be filled for the loss of so many innocent children.

The rapture???

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What I am going to say may not be popular but you all have got it wrong. This shooter probably did not have a "choice" in the matter as you and I understand choices. He was mentally ill. Just like all of the shooters before him and in the future. Mental illness does not allow the person choices in these matters. Perhaps he made a choice and went off his meds or something but the actions are not a matter of choice.

Now before you flame me for saying what I have said, I do believe with all of my heart and soul that these people, if they do not die in their heinous acts, should be punished for what they have done. If that means the rest of their lives behind bars or the death penalty then so be it. I do not believe in innocent by reason of insanity. Do the crime do the time.

As I posted earlier, it is not really about guns like all of the anti-gunners insist. It is about young men who have mental illness. The mental illness needs to be addressed before they go off and kill people. If they don't have guns then they will use something else. Take for instance the guy in China who went off on a bunch of schoolkids with a knife http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/world/asia/china-knife-attack/index.html

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A number of measures were introduced at the time, including increased security at schools across the country and a regulation requiring people to register with their national ID cards when buying large knives.
Interesting. Registration for large knives and still they are having knife attacks. Imagine that.
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What I am going to say may not be popular but you all have got it wrong. This shooter probably did not have a "choice" in the matter as you and I understand choices. He was mentally ill. Just like all of the shooters before him and in the future. Mental illness does not allow the person choices in these matters. Perhaps he made a choice and went off his meds or something but the actions are not a matter of choice.

Now before you flame me for saying what I have said, I do believe with all of my heart and soul that these people, if they do not die in their heinous acts, should be punished for what they have done. If that means the rest of their lives behind bars or the death penalty then so be it. I do not believe in innocent by reason of insanity. Do the crime do the time.

As I posted earlier, it is not really about guns like all of the anti-gunners insist. It is about young men who have mental illness. The mental illness needs to be addressed before they go off and kill people. If they don't have guns then they will use something else. Take for instance the guy in China who went off on a bunch of schoolkids with a knife http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/world/asia/china-knife-attack/index.html

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Interesting. Registration for large knives and still they are having knife attacks. Imagine that.
My wife and I are close friends with a family who has been struggling with schizophrenia. One of their children began showing symptoms this past summer. We were all shocked at how quickly things deteriorated. In just a matter of a few weeks, the child went from great kid to paranoid and on the verge of violence. Thank God he got the care that he needed and things are now turning around. We were very concerned something very bad was going to happen for a couple months.

Schizophrenia is fast, debilitating, and can turn a perfectly normal person into a monster.

That said, although it would break my heart, had this kid who I watched grow up from a baby harmed anyone, I would expect justice to be served.
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What I am going to say may not be popular but you all have got it wrong. This shooter probably did not have a "choice" in the matter as you and I understand choices. He was mentally ill. Just like all of the shooters before him and in the future. Mental illness does not allow the person choices in these matters. Perhaps he made a choice and went off his meds or something but the actions are not a matter of choice.

Now before you flame me for saying what I have said, I do believe with all of my heart and soul that these people, if they do not die in their heinous acts, should be punished for what they have done. If that means the rest of their lives behind bars or the death penalty then so be it. I do not believe in innocent by reason of insanity. Do the crime do the time.

As I posted earlier, it is not really about guns like all of the anti-gunners insist. It is about young men who have mental illness. The mental illness needs to be addressed before they go off and kill people. If they don't have guns then they will use something else. Take for instance the guy in China who went off on a bunch of schoolkids with a knife http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/world/asia/china-knife-attack/index.html

Take note that the article says

Interesting. Registration for large knives and still they are having knife attacks. Imagine that.
I agree here. These mass shooting are not done by normal thinking people like you or I. They are done by mentally ill people who either have yet to be diagnosed or have gone off their meds.
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Annual Big Ten Killers In The USA:

#1 - Tobacco Use: 529,000

#2 - Medical Errors: 195,000

#3 - Unintentional Injuries: 118,000

#4 - Alcohol Abuse: 107,400

#5 - Motor Vehicle Accidents: 34,500

#6 - Unintentional Poisoning: 32,000

#7 - Drug Abuse: 25,500

#8 - Unintentional Falls: 25,500

#9 - NON Firearm Homicides: 16,800

#10 - Firearm Homicides: 11,500

SOURCE: Center For Disease Control/FBI Statistics
You forgot one other thing that's looked down on and banned almost worldwide.

#11 - Marijuana: 0
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After shock and grieving for the parents and families of the children and teachers killed I went to seek answers to why this happens and what can be done to prevent it.

The best article I could find said very little can be done as we know of today because these events are usually unforeseeable until they happen. There are no red flags that someone, perhaps someone you know, will flip out and go postal.

Gun control is ineffective because statistics show that many of the people who go on shooting sprees never had a criminal record. Often they appear on the surface to be middle class normal individuals.

The underlying reason they do this is because they feel like failures in life and that everything and everyone around them has failed them. They are angry at the world and taking out innocent people is their demented way of leaving one last big statement.

Would it have made a difference if some of the teachers were armed? Maybe, and maybe not. But the fact remains that these people are angry at the world and feel alienated according to the article.

Now, it doesn't really help when we live in this new, cold world which often lacks humanity. Where interacting with real people has been replaced with email, tweeting, and texting. Where many people are so cold that they make hostile remarks to people on internet forums over something stupid, trivial and silly without realizing they are actually being vicious to someone on the other end that they don't even know.

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Okay, I am going to say what I think may be the problem and if it's been mentioned before or in this thread, then I apologize. Here goes. What makes people think it's the guns that are the problem, when the reality is that there were guns in America for hundreds of years and this **** wasn't happening. What IS the problem you ask? Well, how about violent video games or violent movies strait from Hollywood who only cares about how much money the movies make? How come the socialist media doesn't mention a thing about these things? Why? I sure as hell don't know why! Maybe instead of asking what kind of gun the shooter was using, the media should ask why we allow such **** to be pumped into our kids' heads?
The media makes rock stars out of frikin killers. Yesterday each network gave at least 4 hours of coverage to 26 kids getting killed. If a bus had turned over with the same result it would have got 5 minutes of attention on each broadcast. So if you are unstable and want to commit suicide you can make a statement by killing a bunch of unarmed people. The media will give the event more coverage than they gave to super storm sandy.
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