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Old 09-10-2013, 06:36 PM   #1
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http://news.yahoo.com/details-feds-laptops-border-010114959.html

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WASHINGTON (AP) — Newly disclosed U.S. government files provide an inside look at the Homeland Security Department's practice of seizing and searching electronic devices at the border without showing reasonable suspicion of a crime or getting a judge's approval.
I realize this dude was close to a really unusual case, but this doesn't seem legal or good to me. It seems like thuggery.


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You have nothing to fear as long as you have nothing to hide.
Sadly a whole lot of people think that is a proper way of thinking.
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Doesn't work with bears. If you are facing a bear, you have a bear to fear. If you kill the bear, you probably have a bear corpse to hide.
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Doesn't work with bears. If you are facing a bear, you have a bear to fear. If you kill the bear, you probably have a bear corpse to hide.
Our glorious leaders have forgotten this tidbit of logic. I believe that a civil war is brewing here in the good ol' US of A.
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What has changed? Friends of Benedict Arnold were called to task when he left his command to join the British Army. They had their homes searched and much worse. This man was complicit in a traitorous crime our very stupid. The computer issue here is only a legal ploy.

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What has changed? Friends of Benedict Arnold were called to task when he left his command to join the British Army. They had their homes searched and much worse. This man was complicit in a traitorous crime our very stupid. The computer issue here is only a legal ploy.
I didn't see anything to indicate the guy was a co-conspirator or anything of that level.

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House said he was 22 when he first met Manning, who now is serving a 35-year sentence for one of the biggest intelligence leaks in U.S. history. It was a brief, uneventful encounter at a January 2010 computer science event. But when Manning was arrested later that June, that nearly forgotten handshake came to mind. House, another tech enthusiast, considered Manning a bright, young, tech-savvy person who was trying to stand up to the U.S. government and expose what he believed were wrongheaded politics. House volunteered with friends to set up an advocacy group they called the Bradley Manning Support Network, and he went to prison to visit Manning, formerly known as Bradley Manning.
He met Manning one time before Manning was arrested. Doesn't sound much different from any other politically active twenty-something to me. I wonder how many people said to themselves "Koresh, was that the name of that weird preacher guy I gave money to at that airport?" and were later saddened by how his siege was ended/handled.
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This is the result of the Patriot act and the resulting "Constitution-Free Zone". Sadly enough, a great many Americans live in that zone where the 4th amendment does not apply. You can google it or take a look at the ACLU description. There are some good maps of the zone online.

https://www.aclu.org/technology-and-liberty/fact-sheet-us-constitution-free-zone

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This is the result of the Patriot act and the resulting "Constitution-Free Zone". Sadly enough, a great many Americans live in that zone where the 4th amendment does not apply. You can google it or take a look at the ACLU description. There are some good maps of the zone online.

https://www.aclu.org/technology-and-liberty/fact-sheet-us-constitution-free-zone
That is fairly spooky as I sit here calculating the distance to the beach.
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This is the result of the Patriot act and the resulting "Constitution-Free Zone".
Well said.

Yep, i remember when the so called Patriot Act was being considered by the US congress. Our yellow bellied draft dodging congress criminal insinuated that veterans who refused to support passage of the "Patriot Act" were not "patriots".

The "Dep't of Homeland Security" is a catchy term for a conglomeration of political appointees and career bureaucrats charged with trashing our Constitutional rignts.


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