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Old 06-13-2014, 11:48 PM   #21
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Just so happens that almost all of your posts are anti self defense/defense of others which I have no problem I just think it's weird coming from a firearms owner (even one from the uk) it's when you start trying to tell me what you think I would do that I take offense to! Like I said before I could not and would not live with myself if I did nothing even if outnumbered and against overwhelming odds it may sound Ramboish to you,but some of us are cut from different cloth
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Manta just wants to see people stop advocating reckless behavior. I have had plenty of training clearing buildings. None of it involved being a cowboy who gets people killed. If you have done half the stuff you claim some Hadji would have blown your brains out in a week. Enough is enough!

I have just thought BS when I read these threads about being a hero. I have just let it pass. Arlington National Cemetery is full of heroes. The difference is the heroes in Arlington National Cemetery had no choice.
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unless you have had situational training, there is a very good chance you could shoot the wrong person or, as we have seen recently in Las Vegas.....get yourself shot

All true. Except that nobody, I mean nobody will decide (training or not) if and when I will defend myself or others. The outcome of such an encounter will be decided by a number of factors. One of them will not be me running away seeking more training.
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Manta just wants to see people stop advocating reckless behavior. I have had plenty of training clearing buildings. None of it involved being a cowboy who gets people killed. If you have done half the stuff you claim some Hadji would have blown your brains out in a week. Enough is enough!


Who the hell ever said anything about being a hero? Dude I was a combat arms troop not some support staff.
I have just thought BS when I read these threads about being a hero. I have just let it pass. Arlington National Cemetery is full of heroes. The difference is the heroes in Arlington National Cemetery had no choice.




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You never know how people will respond when the bullets are flying. But in my life experience the ones that do all the talking , are the first to be heading for the hills. Other peoples experience might be different, but I think its a common experience to most people.
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Are CC holders first responders?

You better believe it. When it all hits the fan who do you think is going to be on scene to put things 5 by 5, the police? Puh leeze, it's going to be us, the armed sheepdogs ready to sink our fangs into the wolves' throat as he tries to kill the sheep. It's why I do what I do.
CC holders are not first responders though. There is no training related to situational preparedness or combat skills required in order to get a permit in any state that I know of. Quite to the contrary, most of the coursework involved for those states that require such a thing focuses on the legal issues surrounding the use of your weapon in a self defense situation.

I have no doubt that you are or believe you are properly trained and would not make a situation much worse by your actions. I believe a majority of concealed carry permit holders are not prepared to be of assistance in situations such as these. All I can say is, based on your remarks I sure hope you have a good lawyer on retainer!
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Manta just wants to see people stop advocating reckless behavior. I have had plenty of training clearing buildings. None of it involved being a cowboy who gets people killed. If you have done half the stuff you claim some Hadji would have blown your brains out in a week. Enough is enough!

I have just thought BS when I read these threads about being a hero. I have just let it pass. Arlington National Cemetery is full of heroes. The difference is the heroes in Arlington National Cemetery had no choice.

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What're you trying to say there, Manta? Don't be coy, spit it out.
I think its clear what I am saying. Its easy to post on a forum what someone would or would not do in a certain situation. Reality can be different.
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How's that for reality for you?
It sounds more like fantasy to me than reality. Convince me.

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When it goes down and the bullets are flying, this sheepdog is taking care of business.

How's that for reality for you?
A huge percentage of professional soldiers shoot high hoping not to kill anyone until they see one their friends with his brains blown out. This process is called battle hardening. What makes you think you will perform better than these well trained men? Every single one of those soldiers enlisted thinking they could kill a man if required.

That is reality for you.
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A huge percentage of professional soldiers shoot high hoping not to kill anyone until they see one their friends with his brains blown out. This process is called battle hardening. What makes you think you will perform better than these well trained men? Every single one of those soldiers enlisted thinking they could kill a man if required.

That is reality for you.
You mean its not like those 1st person shooter video games? We may have less Rambos than we thought......
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