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Old 06-13-2014, 11:48 PM   #21
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Just so happens that almost all of your posts are anti self defense/defense of others which I have no problem I just think it's weird coming from a firearms owner (even one from the uk) it's when you start trying to tell me what you think I would do that I take offense to! Like I said before I could not and would not live with myself if I did nothing even if outnumbered and against overwhelming odds it may sound Ramboish to you,but some of us are cut from different cloth
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Manta just wants to see people stop advocating reckless behavior. I have had plenty of training clearing buildings. None of it involved being a cowboy who gets people killed. If you have done half the stuff you claim some Hadji would have blown your brains out in a week. Enough is enough!

I have just thought BS when I read these threads about being a hero. I have just let it pass. Arlington National Cemetery is full of heroes. The difference is the heroes in Arlington National Cemetery had no choice.
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unless you have had situational training, there is a very good chance you could shoot the wrong person or, as we have seen recently in Las Vegas.....get yourself shot

All true. Except that nobody, I mean nobody will decide (training or not) if and when I will defend myself or others. The outcome of such an encounter will be decided by a number of factors. One of them will not be me running away seeking more training.
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Manta just wants to see people stop advocating reckless behavior. I have had plenty of training clearing buildings. None of it involved being a cowboy who gets people killed. If you have done half the stuff you claim some Hadji would have blown your brains out in a week. Enough is enough!


Who the hell ever said anything about being a hero? Dude I was a combat arms troop not some support staff.
I have just thought BS when I read these threads about being a hero. I have just let it pass. Arlington National Cemetery is full of heroes. The difference is the heroes in Arlington National Cemetery had no choice.




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Are CC holders first responders?

You better believe it. When it all hits the fan who do you think is going to be on scene to put things 5 by 5, the police? Puh leeze, it's going to be us, the armed sheepdogs ready to sink our fangs into the wolves' throat as he tries to kill the sheep. It's why I do what I do.

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You never know how people will respond when the bullets are flying. But in my life experience the ones that do all the talking , are the first to be heading for the hills. Other peoples experience might be different, but I think its a common experience to most people.

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Are CC holders first responders?

You better believe it. When it all hits the fan who do you think is going to be on scene to put things 5 by 5, the police? Puh leeze, it's going to be us, the armed sheepdogs ready to sink our fangs into the wolves' throat as he tries to kill the sheep. It's why I do what I do.
CC holders are not first responders though. There is no training related to situational preparedness or combat skills required in order to get a permit in any state that I know of. Quite to the contrary, most of the coursework involved for those states that require such a thing focuses on the legal issues surrounding the use of your weapon in a self defense situation.

I have no doubt that you are or believe you are properly trained and would not make a situation much worse by your actions. I believe a majority of concealed carry permit holders are not prepared to be of assistance in situations such as these. All I can say is, based on your remarks I sure hope you have a good lawyer on retainer!
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Manta just wants to see people stop advocating reckless behavior. I have had plenty of training clearing buildings. None of it involved being a cowboy who gets people killed. If you have done half the stuff you claim some Hadji would have blown your brains out in a week. Enough is enough!

I have just thought BS when I read these threads about being a hero. I have just let it pass. Arlington National Cemetery is full of heroes. The difference is the heroes in Arlington National Cemetery had no choice.

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You never know how people will respond when the bullets are flying. But in my life experience the ones that do all the talking , are the first to be heading for the hills. Other peoples experience might be different, but I think its a common experience to most people.
What're you trying to say there, Manta? Don't be coy, spit it out.
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CC holders are not first responders though. There is no training related to situational preparedness or combat skills required in order to get a permit in any state that I know of. Quite to the contrary, most of the coursework involved for those states that require such a thing focuses on the legal issues surrounding the use of your weapon in a self defense situation.

I have no doubt that you are or believe you are properly trained and would not make a situation much worse by your actions. I believe a majority of concealed carry permit holders are not prepared to be of assistance in situations such as these. All I can say is, based on your remarks I sure hope you have a good lawyer on retainer!
Lawyer's, the liberal's best friend.

I'll tell you what there, Chloeshooter, you worry about the lawyers...I'll worry about the most justice.
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What're you trying to say there, Manta? Don't be coy, spit it out.
I think its clear what I am saying. Its easy to post on a forum what someone would or would not do in a certain situation. Reality can be different.
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