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Old 06-17-2014, 10:14 PM   #281
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I, unlike some, respect their rights, and I feel that the 2 members of OCT have messed up something that was a good thing by not thinking their decision through from the start. Chipolte and Starbucks did not ask to be put in the middle of a 2A debate. Those guys forced their hand.
And yet OCT had the permission of the business OWNER to hold their event there
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And yet OCT had the permission of the business OWNER to hold their event there
I am open to hearing the other side of it. please provide a link stating so, from the owner. I'll wait.

From the link at the top:

A Texas gun rights group has notified members that they are to "immediately cease" taking shotguns and rifles into private businesses unless invited to do so, backing down from a controversial strategy that has led several large restaurant chains to ask patrons to leave their guns at home.

If they had permission before, why did their leadership have to tell them the above? Seems to me that they are now begging for forgiveness, when they should have asked or permission first.

Not saying you are full of $h!t, just asking you to check your facts, and provide some links for all of us to see.
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I am open to hearing the other side of it. please provide a link stating so, from the owner. I'll wait.
If you read the Forbes article that was in the OP, you will find the following:

"Open Carry Texas founder C.J. Grisham told Forbes that this past weekend’s activity was not a demonstration, but simply a meal following an event. “We don’t go there just to carry guns into a restaurant,” he said. “We always let the manager know we’re coming. We try very hard to make people feel comfortable.”
Grisham said his group’s policy is to send an unarmed person into a restaurant to seek permission to dine and to warn staff and customers in advance.
“We’re peaceful, we’re looking for a place to eat, but we have guns,” he said. “If we’re not welcome, we’re not going to spend money there.”
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With all the publicity that this situation has created, I'm sure Chipolte senior management would not provide the written letter you request. But it does look like they had permission from the local manager before the event. Their senior management appears to have a different view after receiving the vociferous complaint from MDA.

At least that's how this appears to me.

I still wish they hadn't created yet another target for complaints and negative reporting.
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If you read the Forbes article that was in the OP, you will find the following:

"Open Carry Texas founder C.J. Grisham told Forbes that this past weekend’s activity was not a demonstration, but simply a meal following an event. “We don’t go there just to carry guns into a restaurant,” he said. “We always let the manager know we’re coming. We try very hard to make people feel comfortable.”
Grisham said his group’s policy is to send an unarmed person into a restaurant to seek permission to dine and to warn staff and customers in advance.
“We’re peaceful, we’re looking for a place to eat, but we have guns,” he said. “If we’re not welcome, we’re not going to spend money there.”
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With all the publicity that this situation has created, I'm sure Chipolte senior management would not provide the written letter you request. But it does look like they had permission from the local manager before the event. Their senior management appears to have a different view after receiving the vociferous complaint from MDA.

At least that's how this appears to me.

I still wish they hadn't created yet another target for complaints and negative reporting.
Thanks Balota, I stand corrected. I read the link in the op, but with all of the insanity of a drawn out out of state move it probably slipped my mind.

Sorry Partduex. We were both wrong about it being a demonstration though. The intent according to Grisham was nothing more than a peaceful meal, that I would have had no problem with myself. i just feel that (and I do understand that it is not legal to OC a handgun in Texas, just as it is in NY) they took the wrong approach. Carrying the rifles in was not the right way to get the point across to the public, in the current political climate. The negatives far outweigh the possitives when OCing a long gun.
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The negatives far outweigh the possitives when OCing a long gun.
Here's the fact of MI OC, the early adopters (pistol) were trashed by Fudds, CC, and the press, and yet we have over come and made some excellent progress. Now, MI OC is about the legal OC of holstered pistols. They make zero opinion, yea or nea about LGOC. It upsets the LGOC crowd and they have been encouraged to set up their own org. MI OC's position is to focus on one battle front, not multiple.

Rifles are a small portion of all deaths by firearms, and extremely small percentage, and yet the press has made it out to be some major problem.
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