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Kelly J 06-03-2010 10:12 PM

Chicago's second Shooting in a week
 
Chicago’s 2nd recent self-defense shooting ‘validates lawsuit,’ says SAF founder
June 3, 1:54 PM Seattle Gun Rights Examiner Dave Workman

http://www.gunvoter.org/gunvoter/forum/viewtopic.php?f=156&t=3402


The founder of the Bellevue, WA-based Second Amendment Foundation – they are the group whose federal lawsuit seeking to overturn the Chicago handgun ban is currently being mulled by the U.S. Supreme Court – is marveling at recent events in the Windy City.

In the past eight days, two high-profile shootings by private citizens who armed themselves in defiance of the ban have, in Gottliebs words, http://www.saf.org/viewpr-new.asp?id=325“ underscored the necessity of our lawsuit.”

Early Thursday morning, a criminal recidivist identified by the Chicago Tribune as Aaron Marshall, a man whose record includes felony convictions for drug and weapons offenses, was stopped by Chicago police for a traffic violation in the city’s South Austin neighborhood. What happened next is the stuff of a Dragnet scriptwriter’s wildest imagination.

Read the entire story at: http://www.gunvoter.org/gunvoter/forum/viewtopic.php?f=156&t=3402


For what ever reason I could not get the Article Link to go to the Chicago Tribune it always went to the Sun Times instead so I took you to the post on GunVoter.org, just click on the Link in the article and it will take you to the right place.

NwGun 06-04-2010 10:27 PM

link no good

NwGun 06-04-2010 10:29 PM

Here...
 
The founder of the Bellevue, WA-based Second Amendment Foundation – they are the group whose federal lawsuit seeking to overturn the Chicago handgun ban is currently being mulled by the U.S. Supreme Court – is marveling at recent events in the Windy City.

In the past eight days, two high-profile shootings by private citizens who armed themselves in defiance of the ban have, in Gottlieb’s words, “underscored the necessity of our lawsuit.”

Early Thursday morning, a criminal recidivist identified by the Chicago Tribune as Aaron Marshall, a man whose record includes felony convictions for drug and weapons offenses, was stopped by Chicago police for a traffic violation in the city’s South Austin neighborhood. What happened next is the stuff of a Dragnet scriptwriter’s wildest imagination.


Marshall's criminal background includes a felony drug conviction in 2009 and a 2007 conviction for felony aggravated unlawful use of a weapon, court records show. He also is a gang member with a lengthy arrest record, police said.


Marshall boogied on foot, dropping “a large quantity of narcotics” in his wake, with the cops in hot pursuit. He ran to a nearby house and reportedly crashed through a window, and that’s when his luck went from bad to worse. Inside the home, one of the residents – who had a valid Illinois Firearm Owner’s Identification (FOID) card grabbed a gun and shot Marshall once in the chest. An initial report suggested the gun was a handgun, but later reports seemed careful not to mention the type of firearm.

As in the case last week of an 80-year-old Korean War veteran who most definitely used a handgun to defend himself against a gun-wielding street punk named Anthony “Big Ant” Nelson, today’s shooter will not face any charges. As this column explained here, Illinois has a statute that protects private citizens who defend themselves with handguns when the incident occurs in a community where handguns are banned.


Armed citizens are doing more to fight violent crime than Daley has done in his entire time in office.”—Alan Gottlieb


How are these cases connected to Washington? First and foremost, Gottlieb’s group is headquartered here. Secondly, and more importantly, the SAF case (not to be confused with a similar lawsuit filed by the National Rifle Association, although we guarantee reporters covering the Supreme Court ruling, when it comes, will almost certainly – and erroneously – call it an “NRA victory”) will have an impact on every state and community in the nation.

In McDonald v. City of Chicago, the high court is being asked to not only strike down Chicago’s handgun ban, but to incorporate the Second Amendment to apply to state and local gun laws. Crack gun rights attorney Alan Gura, who successfully argued the 2008 Heller case against the District of Columbia handgun ban that led to the court’s ruling that the Second Amendment protects an individual civil right, represented SAF and its co-plaintiffs, the Illinois State Rifle Association and four Chicago residents.

If the court does affirm that the Second Amendment applies as a limitation on state and local governments, as expected, municipal anti-gunners all over the map including Seattle Mayor Mike McGinn and members of the city council, are going to have to swallow their prohibitionist mentality and choke down the reality that forever after, they will not only have the state constitution, but the federal constitution and state preemption statute standing in their way. (A federal district judge, who almost certainly will be overturned on appeal in a case that many believe should never have been filed in the first place, declared earlier this spring that Seattle’s parks gun ban was constitutional.)


The homeowner in this morning’s incident, just like the 80-year-old Korean War veteran who fatally shot another thug last week, did the city a favor.”—Alan Gottlieb


Gottlieb said that SAF filed its lawsuit on the same day in 2008 that the Heller ruling was handed down, because of people like Marshal and Nelson, and to protect the rights of citizens like the people who shot them. The NRA case was filed the following day, and only the gods know why the Supreme Court accepted only the SAF case for review, but then allowed an NRA attorney time during the March oral arguments, again giving reporters the impression that McDonald is somehow the NRA’s case. Both cases have merit.

SAF and NRA are after the same thing: Nullification of Chicago’s ban and incorporation of the Second Amendment. Together, they sued New Orleans to stop gun confiscations following Hurricane Katrina. They are also partners on the Seattle parks ban lawsuit, which they won. They also cooperated to overturn San Francisco’s 2005 handgun ban.

As was once observed by this writer, if you were an anti-gun politician with a questionable law on the books, would you want to see attorneys representing NRA and SAF coming through the courtroom door arm-in-arm? That’s a question one might be asking a fair number of public officials in the months and years to come.

Pat-inCO 06-05-2010 04:59 AM

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Chicago's second Shooting in a week
AHEM, ahhhhhh, second shooting in Chicago in a week? ;)


I'll bet it is the second one they will admit to. I'd guess more like second one in the last hour. :rolleyes:

:D

pandamonium 06-05-2010 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Pat-inCO (Post 295170)
AHEM, ahhhhhh, second shooting in Chicago in a week? ;)


I'll bet it is the second one they will admit to. I'd guess more like second one in the last hour. :rolleyes:

:D

I believe the reference is to the second "self defense" type of shooting.

There's two less bad guys. We should all be hoping the McDonald case is rule in favor of 2A, Could mean big changes in a lot of places! Like New Jersey for example!

NwGun 06-05-2010 02:30 PM

What's cool is this is being played out across the nation as law abiding citizens are telling their tyrannical politicians to shove their anti gun laws up their corn hole.
Well... Except in Kalifornia.

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Jo da Plumbr 06-05-2010 03:52 PM

Let's keep the facts straight. There are no gun bans in California. At least none I know of and I am in LA one of CAs most restrictive areas. There are restrictions on types of guns, and carry permits are near impossible to get in the big cities, but no gun bans like Chicago or DC.

Kelly J 06-05-2010 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jo da Plumbr (Post 295325)
Let's keep the facts straight. There are no gun bans in California. At least none I know of and I am in LA one of CAs most restrictive areas. There are restrictions on types of guns, and carry permits are near impossible to get in the big cities, but no gun bans like Chicago or DC.

San Francisco tried but failed in the courts to get a ban on Handguns.

Kelly J 06-05-2010 04:58 PM

Thought you may find this interesting
 
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NwGun 06-05-2010 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jo da Plumbr (Post 295325)
Let's keep the facts straight. There are no gun bans in California.

IMO that is just splitting hairs... There are plenty of guns that are banned in Kalifornia. Any gun that is on the restriction list is in fact a banned weapon.
You can start here: State of Kalifornia, 2008 Dangerous Weapons Control Law
12275 thru 12290 "Assault Weapons".
Quote:

At least none I know of and I am in LA one of CAs most restrictive areas. There are restrictions on types of guns, and carry permits are near impossible to get in the big cities, but no gun bans like Chicago or DC.
The Roberti-Roos Assault Weapons Control Act of 1989, its subsequent augmentation in 1999, and the .50 Caliber BMG Regulation Act of 2004 has led to many restrictions on semi-automatic firearms. In addition to a lengthy list of specific firearms that are banned by name, the following firearms are banned by characteristic:

* (1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
o (A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
o (B) A thumbhole stock.
o (C) A folding or telescoping stock.
o (D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
o (E) A flash suppressor.
o (F) A forward pistol grip.
* (2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
* (3) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches [762 mm].
* (4) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
o (A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
o (B) A second handgrip.
o (C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning his or her hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.
o (D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.
* (5) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
* (6) A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following:
o (A) A folding or telescoping stock.
o (B) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip.
* (7) A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine.
* (8) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.


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