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Old 03-28-2012, 12:17 PM   #101
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Who are you to judge me? You know nothing about me. What I will and won't do. Whether I will or won't defend my country. As it so happens, when I graduated from school, during the Viet Nam war, I went straight to the recruiting office to sign up. Still have the papers around here somewhere. I wanted to be in the military and serve my country. But during the pre induction physical, the doctor noticed something odd about the sound of my heart beat. I went to a specialist who found I had a genetic defect in my heart. I've fought my entire life against a debilitating illness that could kill me at any time, without warning. Have you ever woke up in the emergency room after the doctors just got done defibrillating your heart? I've made two trips to the hospital this year already. But I get up every morning and work in spite of it, because I have a home and family to care for. So don't talk to me about your foolish idea of bravery. But then you'll probably just ridicule me about that too. That's what brave men do, right?

Oh, and as to standing my ground. I never said anything about turning and running away at the first sign of trouble. You put that spin on it, not me. I have a CCW permit. I carry 24/7 including at home, and if I find myself or my family threatened, I will fight, to my last breath. All I ever said was that I would retreat if the situation made it advantageous to do so without putting myself or my family at risk. But then why am I explaining this? I have nothing to prove. Certainly not to you.

Well, you brave self appointed heroes gather around and continue judging the world. Continue to ridicule people you know nothing about. If that's what it takes to make you feel big and brave. I'll move on somewhere that substandard humans like me are welcome.

Later all.
Whatever ... Thin skin. I really don't know this fella or whether or not he told the truth about his "attempt" at going into the military but I'll say this: There are plenty of folks out there passing the medical story along like this fella did... I especially love it when they use the flat feet excuse..
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Old 03-28-2012, 07:17 PM   #102
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A lot of people are taught from childhood that resistance to crime is immoral. Some churches teach that stuff ("Turn the other cheek"). But if I have to go to some "Hell" for protecting my family, then so be it. I believe that the "turn the other cheek" concept works great for a "preacher" who is ripping off the congregation and/or boning the parishoners' wives or young sons.
Sorry for the cynicism, but it is some hell of a world if a man has to have the government's permission to defend himself and his family. "Stand Your Ground" is a God-given DUTY, not a priviledge that can be given or taken away by a government.
I just realized that no one is a coward on this post. I hear a lot of saber rattling; but in the heat of battle, with wife and child in tow, I don't believe anyone here would cut and run. There is a big difference between being sensible and tactical, and being a coward. A coward will wet his pants and run. Even Scripture mandates that men be strong. Turing the other cheek has more to do with psychological attacks, than physical attacks -- such as when someone makes a snide remark. Theology does not ask someone to stand there and let someone tee-off on your face. That is one of the big misunderstandings of the Bible. If you are a disciple of Christ; and someone handcuffs, and demands that you deny Christ or die; I will die with a smile on my face. In other words, it's not as simple as you suggest. There are many layers to theology. In one scenario theology would have you "answer a fool according to a fool, lest he be wise in his own conceit; (on the other hand) do not answer a fool according to a fool. lest you too become a fool."
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Old 03-29-2012, 01:46 AM   #103
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Who are you to judge me? You know nothing about me. What I will and won't do. Whether I will or won't defend my country. As it so happens, when I graduated from school, during the Viet Nam war, I went straight to the recruiting office to sign up. Still have the papers around here somewhere. I wanted to be in the military and serve my country. But during the pre induction physical, the doctor noticed something odd about the sound of my heart beat. I went to a specialist who found I had a genetic defect in my heart. I've fought my entire life against a debilitating illness that could kill me at any time, without warning. Have you ever woke up in the emergency room after the doctors just got done defibrillating your heart? I've made two trips to the hospital this year already. But I get up every morning and work in spite of it, because I have a home and family to care for. So don't talk to me about your foolish idea of bravery. But then you'll probably just ridicule me about that too. That's what brave men do, right?

Oh, and as to standing my ground. I never said anything about turning and running away at the first sign of trouble. You put that spin on it, not me. I have a CCW permit. I carry 24/7 including at home, and if I find myself or my family threatened, I will fight, to my last breath. All I ever said was that I would retreat if the situation made it advantageous to do so without putting myself or my family at risk. But then why am I explaining this? I have nothing to prove. Certainly not to you.

Well, you brave self appointed heroes gather around and continue judging the world. Continue to ridicule people you know nothing about. If that's what it takes to make you feel big and brave. I'll move on somewhere that substandard humans like me are welcome.

Later all.
The only one judging you is you. No one is faulting you for not being able to defend your country except you. As far as substandard goes, I am 72 and surviving cancer. You dont have a corner on the market.
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Old 03-29-2012, 02:17 AM   #104
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Clearly, misfire was not suggesting cowardice as a solution; he was suggesting sensible survival. It takes greater skill to be victorious and stay alive. It takes no talent to commit suicide. However, I wouldn't be inclined to retreat because I am prepared to defend myself. My strength is in my fortress. Moreover, I am not alone and would be a formidable encounter. Perps are the ones looking for an easy hit.
Maybe not but it has been stated multiple times and by others as well that in the event of a home invasion the incident is temporary? How the hell do they know that? As far as I know being murdered is a permanent event!

I'll stand by my words, if you are not willing to die to defend your home than how much resolve can you possibly have? As for impossible odds or suicide - tell that to the Spartans! Sometimes in life you just have to do what is right, not what is safe and convenient! Give your home to criminals for some temporary safety, I will not!
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I have a medical condition/disability and have a problem with stairs, so I sleep down stairs and the rest of the family sleeps up stairs. So if an intruder, be it 1 or 10, breaks in my house, there will be no retreat, I will hold ground while my family makes it out, and I hold no illusions that if there are more than 2 I may not make it, but I will take as many of the ba$#@%ds with me as I can. And maybe the devil will let me be there tormentor for eternity.
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any of you can throw the word coward around all you want to, and think that i might be one, so be it. my wife and family know that my first concern is their safety and taking care of the BG, secondary. your thoughts and opinion of what you think i am hold no value to me, as my wife and family know that i will defend them to the last bullet and breath to insure their safety and well being. what my wife and family think of me has much more importance to me, than some people who post of armchair bravado does. yes, i would sacrifice my life without hesitation to protect them, but if retreating was a better option to insure their safety, then that is what i will do. so any of you who have some low opinion of me, matters not one iota to me and if being brave to the point of being foolish and dying for no other reason than to prove your bravery, your final words and thoughts will be a fitting eulogy at your funeral. have a nice day!
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I have caught 2 burglars in my house over the years, both times in the "oh-dark-hundred" hours. In both cases, I showed them my gun and they decided to sit quietly and wait for the cops. Both did 2-20 in prison. One of them is likely out by now, but has never contacted me. But so far as an invasion by multiple perps is concerned, my guess is that they would come crashing thru a door with no warning and the option of running or hiding would be unlikely. I keep a Mossberg 500 12 ga leaning against a corner of the wall and either a .40 s&w or a .45 acp on me even when I am home. If a gang comes crashing thru my door, and I can't retreat (which is the likely situation), I'll do the best I can to get as many as I can. If my wife and stepson are home, I believe they will do likewise, as they both have guns (which might be something you should all consider). A home invasion is not the same as a burglar sneaking in when the house is dark. If I can, I may get us all in a bedroom and lock the door, but I seriously doubt that there would be time for that.

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Continuing news releases concerning the shooting of a 17 year old teenager in Florida reveal many other factors, witheld occurances and typical liberal news reporting. The actual truth is there to be found if one wants to look for it instead of
screaming for justice for the shooter..One item was the picture of the slain was a picture of him when he was 12 years old, not
the tall, big guy he was at 17 when killed. Fact is A shoots B and it creates furor, B shoots A and its never hardly in the news
or mentioned and the latter occurs much more than the first instance...
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