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Old 05-11-2014, 10:47 AM   #81
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Our government is gaining more and more power, trying to strip away our rights one at a time. They are slowly but surely creating a dictatorship. Almost all politicians are corrupt, and the ones that aren't only last one term.
So government in America is not working. Do all Americans agree with that point of view. If it is broken what would you replace it with and how would you go about it. ?
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So government in America is not working. Do all Americans agree with that point of view. If it is broken what would you replace it with and how would you go about it. ?
More and more are starting to agree with that point of view. And right now you can't say what you will replace it with or how you would. When the time comes, someone will stand up and lead. Just like they did in the past. Just like they're doing in Ukraine and Syria.
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More and more are starting to agree with that point of view. And right now you can't say what you will replace it with or how you would. When the time comes, someone will stand up and lead. Just like they did in the past. Just like they're doing in Ukraine and Syria.
That sounds like a plan bring down a government and system of government and have no idea of what to replace it with. Tens of thousands of people have being killed in Syria not really a good example of the way to go, Ukraine is on the brink of civil war do people really think that's the way most Americans want to go.
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I'm thinking term limits for all politicians and make a law that makes them not exempt from laws while in office. No special treatment for politicians.
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I'm thinking term limits for all politicians and make a law that makes them not exempt from laws while in office. No special treatment for politicians.
I would agree with that everyone should be equal under the law.
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That sounds like a plan bring down a government and system of government and have no idea of what to replace it with. Tens of thousands of people have being killed in Syria not really a good example of the way to go, Ukraine is on the brink of civil war do people really think that's the way most Americans want to go.
We already have a foundation for government, aka the constitution that these current politicians choose to ignore. And you keep saying most Americans wouldn't want this, most Americans wouldn't want that. You're wrong. If we keep going down this road, most Americans WILL want that. We'll take back our country.

The American Revolution started even though they had no idea what to replace it with. It took them years to decide. The form of government that they intended this country to have was very good. Unfortunately, that's not the government we have today.
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And you keep saying most Americans wouldn't want this, most Americans wouldn't want that. You're wrong. If we keep going down this road, most Americans WILL want that. We'll take back our country.
I would say like a lot of other countries Americans care more about the nice car they drive , what wages they earn, the quality of life of their families, and all the other things that people like, if you think they are going to throw all that away because some guy illegally grazing his cattle on somewhere he shouldn't, or because some in some states have to register their firearms or similar you are kidding yourself lets get real.
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I would say like a lot of other countries Americans care more about the nice car they drive , what wages they earn, the quality of life of their families, and all the other things that people like, if you think they are going to throw all that away because some guy illegally grazing his cattle on somewhere he shouldn't, or because some in some states have to register their firearms or similar you are kidding yourself lets get real.
One part of this is correct. Most people do only care about the car they drive, the salary they earn, and the belief that if they work hard the dream is there for them to achieve.

Latest US polls show that only 1 in 5 Americans still believe the American dream is Alive.

50% of College grads are unemployed or under employed.

Racial tension are growing and the flames are intentionally being fanned by our Government and a compliant Left wing media.

Agencies like the BLM are pushing land issue across the West.

And EVERYWHERE we have the overwhelming sense that our leaders are NOT acting in OUR interests... but in their own.

Crony capitalism has seen billions given to companies based on politics and most of this money has disappeared.

Our Government is demanding more from "producers" and giving it away to "supporters".

All of these factors combine to create a fertile recruiting environment.

Would half the country have stood up if shots had been fired in Mesquite? No

But the Federal Government and Citizens would have suffered casualties, the "authorities" would have been cleared of wrongdoing just like the murdering POS sniper Lon Horriuchi "who killed Vicki Weaver with a head shot while holding her infant daughter".

...and the Feds would have sought to prosecute the citizens who fired back in self defense.

Corrupt grand juries and corrupt federal judges excusing deaths in a situation caused by Federal mercenaries over COWS would make the Boston Masacre look a trivial event.

When it does happen here, it will be caused by Federal Cops over reaching and not backing down "like they did in Mesquite".... and the rally cry that will draw enough support to see it carried through will be ACCOUNTABILITY.

Sitting politicians who have refused their Constitutional duty to hold each other to the rule of law WILL be removed from office, charged, and tried as the criminals they ARE.

The "demands" of the revolution will be "reasonable and just" for the express
Purpose of allowing the Governments "paid protectors" to do the right the right thing by arresting and handing over the criminals they are paid to protect, rather than push a situation that would lead to bloodshed.

They WILL do this because the notion of "officer safety"... And their unwavering belief that they have a RIGHT to return home safely every night WILL trump any loyalty they may feel to their political bosses the MOMENT they see that they are outgunned.

I rally don't wish to see any of this happen but I also can't be the only one here who studies "Game Theory"

Any individual or group who can anticipate the oppositions response to their actions can and will defeat that opposition regardless of outside factors.

When the opposition is a Government who creates a protocol and a training manual for everything they do... Anticipating them is quite easy to do.

The only X factor is the requirement for "some" people with ability to "think" and the willingness to "fight" to stand up and resist... And there is NO SHORTAGE of these traits in America.

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A recent poll showed the majority (60+%) no longer feel the government is on their side!! In other words they see the government as their opposition, not their advocate.
I just wonder how close we are to the 'point of no return' to the total indoctrination and control of the 'people' by the government!!!
History has show that EVERY time this has occurred it did not end well for the 'people'!
The purpose/intent of the BOR's WAS to prevent this.
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I would say like a lot of other countries Americans care more about the nice car they drive , what wages they earn, the quality of life of their families, and all the other things that people like, if you think they are going to throw all that away because some guy illegally grazing his cattle on somewhere he shouldn't, or because some in some states have to register their firearms or similar you are kidding yourself lets get real.
i think those things are pretty much irrelevent if a person can't exercise their Constitutional rights.

and how can i pursue those things without the ability to exercise my rights?

at the end of it all, does a person bow down to a false sense of security, the comforts provided for them by others, the oppression to live a life dictated by others, or stand up for the right to exercise our rights and live our lives as free citizens, rather than slaves.

in the words of Emiliano Zapata, "It is better to die on your feet, than to live on your knees."
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