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Old 05-13-2014, 01:14 AM   #101
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Right. The problem is that you cannot expect "them" to fix something that is broken, when "we", (The People) think it's broken, NOT "them", (The Govt.). "They" are happy the way it is, it's not broken to them....and they are the ones that have the power (perceived, as Tackleberry mentions), (currently, as of right now) to keep it that way.

Does that make any sense? ((""))

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Total control is a myth... In fact any control is a myth...

Government does not control LEO's anymore that LEO's control the population.

Many in Government and Law Enforcement have a "false sense" of control because up to this point their orders has usually been followed...

...but what happens when the orders are not followed?

...what happens when they pass a law that gets less than 5% compliance? "CT"

...what happens when they send 250 hired Merc's to steal a mans cattle and their little "wanna be" soldiers get run off by protesters backed up with Militia? "NV"

...what happens when the POTUS though his own arrogance and incompetence becomes the laughing stock of the WORLD?

The relevance of the Federal Government Dies...and it's authority to do anything dies with it.

Whether your a Vet, a Cop, or a Citizen... The only thing any of need to do is be ready, and when the moment of truth is forced upon us, have the conviction to stand up to Federal Government and say no.

Stand with your Familly, stand with your neighbors, stand with your local communities... and always stand armed.

Those in DC looking for a problem with never be able to handle a population that is ready for them.

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Explain this 'myth' to the 100's of millions of people who have died living this 'myth'. History says it is not a 'myth'. With the arms goes the 'power' of life and death! You don't need 'total' control, just control of the arms and those who are task with their use. Can you say Hitler, or Stalin???
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Explain this 'myth' to the 100's of millions of people who have died living this 'myth'. History says it is not a 'myth'. With the arms goes the 'power' of life and death! You don't need 'total' control, just control of the arms and those who are task with their use. Can you say Hitler, or Stalin???
Those Hundreds of Millions of people lived in times or places where a Government monopoly on force was possible.

We do NOT.

Compared to the rest of the world, the US Government represents a juggernaut of unstoppable military and economic power.

Compared to the American People and our 100 million gun owners, the US government is a gnat that exists because it has not "yet" become annoying "enough" to swat.

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Those Hundreds of Millions of people lived in times or places where a Government monopoly on force was possible.

We do NOT.

Compared to the rest of the world, the US Government represents a juggernaut of unstoppable military and economic power.

Compared to the American People and our 100 million gun owners, the US government is a gnat that exists because it has not "yet" become annoying "enough" to swat.

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Are you sure about that?????
There is a 'point of no return' which the 2nd amendment is in place to stop, but so far it is not working! We have allowed federal, state, and local governments to disregard the RTKABA's with impunity. If we don't put the brakes on them FAST we WILL pass the point of no return. I hope and pray we can do this and without the use of the 2nd amendment, but I wonder how realistic this will be.
You can bet those in other 'country's' and other 'times' said the same thing your are saying!
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Are you sure about that?????
There is a 'point of no return' which the 2nd amendment is in place to stop, but so far it is not working! We have allowed federal, state, and local governments to disregard the RTKABA's with impunity. If we don't put the brakes on them FAST we WILL pass the point of no return. I hope and pray we can do this and without the us of the 2nd amendment, but I wonder how realistic this will be.
You can bet those in other 'country's' and other 'times' said the same thing your are saying!
The left has had limited success with anti gun laws lately, CT, CO, and NY being the notable exceptions.

CT compliance is hovering around 5%, CO Recalled both of Top Dems who pushed the new regs there, and upstate NY'ers are BBQing their registration forms.

On the pro gun side we've seen CC NOW in all 50 states "though some need some work", we have states dropping their "suppressor bans", we have states passing Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground Laws, and we have the SCOTUS slapping down gun bans in DC and Chicago.

Legislatively, BHO had his arse handed to him on the gun issue and his efforts to ban firearms have led to millions of new gun owners.

So... Legislatively... I don't think we're all that bad off "comparatively."

The danger given our current Outlaw in Chief is THE probing tests like the attempted cattle theft in NV... Just to gauge patriot reaction... I'd say the Patriots passed the test.

As long as local LEO's do not engage in open support of these Federal Criminal Activities, citizens will be able to stand down the Feds without bloodshed, should local LEO's back the wrong horse, bloodshed will be unavoidable.

Sort of Poetic Justice that peace in America would hinge on the decisions of Local Peace Officers.

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Tack, Truer words were never spoken than "poetic justice that peace in America would hinge on the decisions of Local Peace Officers"! It could be interesting to see if local LEOs will enforce any of the States laws making enforcement of unconstitutional laws illegal. Will they arrest FBI or BATFE agents?

The world wonders...

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Tack, Truer words were never spoken than "poetic justice that peace in America would hinge on the decisions of Local Peace Officers"! It could be interesting to see if local LEOs will enforce any of the States laws making enforcement of unconstitutional laws illegal. Will they arrest FBI or BATFE agents?

The world wonders...
It may come too that and I'm not worried about my local Peace Officers choosing wisely.

They know the people of the PNW have far more men and guns than the Feds.

Everyone wants to join the "winning team"... Human nature.

If we wish to beat back Federal Erosion of Liberty then we must have the courage to let out local LEO's know where we stand, less we allow them to make a bad decision in search of the "path of least resistance."

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