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Old 02-08-2013, 09:22 PM   #21
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My issue with it is that if she bought and sold 31 guns in a week the sales were probably pre-arranged which would make them straw purchases. Apparently prosecutions for straw purchases are rarely pursued.

My concern is that the purchasers were willing to pay more than she did because they did not want to go through the background check. You have to wonder why.

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Okay, I must be missing something.

See, if she’s buying them retail, reselling them, and making a profit; I find it hard to believe her customers aren’t buying from her just because it’s a ‘private sale’ and avoids a background check. If they were clean, and could purchase handguns themselves, why would they pay her mark-up unless they are paying for her 'service'?

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There are some folks whom want to buy firearms free of any paper trail associating them with the firearm. This does not mean they are a criminal hiding something but more along the lines of a citizen whom doesn't trust the government paperwork and its possible role in a future tyrannical confiscation. Such folks are often more than happy to pay a slightly higher amount for their firearm.

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if you buy a gun and dont like it...and sell it, ok.
and buy another one...and dont like it ok. fine.
but if you buy 31 guns and sell them all, she is buying with intent to sell.
again da law folks.

this is why wilder back in the 80's limited va. gun purchases to 1 gun a month...because they were ending up in nyc. guys would drive down I95, buy 10 guns and bring them back in new york.

that laws has been deleted, but it looks like the BC computer flashed a warning when she hit 31 guns in two weeks.

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My issue with it is that if she bought and sold 31 guns in a week the sales were probably pre-arranged which would make them straw purchases. Apparently prosecutions for straw purchases are rarely pursued.

My concern is that the purchasers were willing to pay more than she did because they did not want to go through the background check. You have to wonder why.
Hate to say it but both issues you brought up are a huge part of the problem.
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I’d like to know if they were 31 different handguns to 31 different people, or ten 1911s and ten Glocks and eleven M&Ps sold to one or two people, or some such.

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Coulda been graduation gifts for all her nieces and nephews.

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She did all the purchases at 3 local gun shops. That is likely what caught the attention of the feds. But she's apparently not a rocket scientist, because even if she made a couple hundred bucks per gun, it wouldn't be worth the risk. Also, if she bought that many guns in a month, the feds would stop by her home and check to see if she still had all of them.

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Orangello: I'm pretty sure it's a federal law. It won't deny you on the NICS check, but it will "flag" you with the ATF. For this reason I would suggest "planning" your handgun purchases.

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Here is a question for yall:

Why does the number of firearms I purchase matter to the government unless there is an applicable state law limiting the number in "x" amount of days? If I buy 31 in MI, and the ATF show up without a warrant they will just have to stand outside in the snow all day and night because they aint coming inside without it.

Next question:

Is the purchase of 31 guns in two weeks (without knowledge that they were sold through private sales) in a state without purchase limits enough to gain a warrant because, "she/he may be selling them"?

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