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Old 02-08-2013, 03:17 AM   #11
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He gets it to a point. He thinks violence on tv and movies does not play a part in social issues. He is squed on that one. If I made a gagillion dollars on Die Hard movies, I might miss that part also.
People have tried to make the connection between violence on TV, games and movies but have yet to bring any proof to the table.

I drive an 18 wheeler and play World of Warcraft with my three boys and one of my two daughters to keep up with family time while I am on the road. I happened to look at my WoW stats and over the 7 years I and my kids have been playing my character has killed more than 2.5 million digital creatures. Yet I feel no urge to commit violence to anyone by force or fraud. Point of fact I am a very laid back person. I was informed a few years ago that were I any more laid back I would be dead...
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I have watched action movies my wole life and not once did I want to go on a shooting spree just for the hell of it. I tend to agree with Mr. Willis, I dont think its the violence on TV but the person watching it. Its not the guns, its not the movies, its the person who pulls the trigger who is responsible.
Admit it, several times in this post, you nearly went for the caps lock. Admit it, we all know it. All because of your aggressive movies Netflix account. Lol
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People have tried to make the connection between violence on TV, games and movies but have yet to bring any proof to the table.

I drive an 18 wheeler and play World of Warcraft with my three boys and one of my two daughters to keep up with family time while I am on the road. I happened to look at my WoW stats and over the 7 years I and my kids have been playing my character has killed more than 2.5 million digital creatures. Yet I feel no urge to commit violence to anyone by force or fraud. Point of fact I am a very laid back person. I was informed a few years ago that were I any more laid back I would be dead...
Not all pit bulls tear off children's faces, but teaching one to kill kill kill, and then letting it baby sit a small child, proves what exactly?

One thing excessive game time does, is dissociate for many people, the need to be productive. Jobs don't matter. School does not matter, family does not matter. Several people die each year from zombieing into a video game, and forgetting or neglecting to sleep, drink water, or eat. In three ti four days, the kidneys fail, and the gamer goes room temperature via coma.

The fact you play, and walk away normal, might mean the effects on you are not normal, and you are an extreme fortunate guy with no effects. I think most people suffer moderate effects from gaming, and a few go dire.
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Watch a porn movie, and most people feel aroused. Watch a comedy, and most people laugh. Watch a sad movie, and most people cry. Watch Shane, and most people call out Shane in a falsetto voice for weeks, irritating their friends, lovers, and co-workers.

Watch a Woody Harldson shoot em up movie like the one with jewelitte Lewis, and then watch a few Texas chain saw movies, and it has no effect? Really, how is that possible?

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Watch a porn movie, and most people feel aroused. Watch a comedy, and most people laugh. Watch a sad movie, and most people cry. Watch Shane, and most people call out Shane in a falsetto voice for weeks, irritating their friends, lovers, and co-workers.

Watch a Woody Harldson shoot em up movie like the one with jewelitte Lewis, and then watch a few Texas chain saw movies, and it has no effect? Really, how is that possible?
to say it doesn't arouse emotions of different types would be naive to say the least. but movies are about entertainment, nothing more.

a sane person can watch any type of movie and walk away and not commit violence upon others, simply because they have the reasoning to know the movie isn't real and they decide between right and wrong. if a person watched a movie or played a video game an felt compelled or actually did commit a violent crime, then they had deeper underlying mental issues in the first palce and the movie or video game is not the root cause.
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IMHO the point he was trying to make is the mental factor that should be addressed. No amount of violent movies/video games/ or tv will make a sain person decide to shoot up some place. They don't help with those on the edge though.
I have to agree with Ben. IMO, that is the point Willis was trying to make. Mental health is the true issue in this country, not gun control. It is also very likely that a big part of the mental health problems are caused by a combination of poor parenting, and doctors with a psych. degree that think that the solution to all of our problems can be found in a little brown pill. Way back when, if a kid messed up, his or her azz would be corrected out behind the woodshed. We were better people back then. Nowadays, if you even raise your voice to your kids, some nosey nancy calls in CPS, and you are investigated for child abuse for the next 6 months. Kinda kills the corrective power of the parent, doesn't it?

Now, as a person who enjoys his share of violence on film, I have never had the urge to go out and shoot a large group of unarmed victim to death. aftre all, if I shoot them, they will die quickly. On the other hand, 2 tasers and a case of pepper spray sounds like an afternoon of fun and non-permanent damage.Why make it quick?

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I do believe there is a connection between violence on TV/Movies and violence in the real world. Advertisers pay millions to get a 15 second commercial on TV for the sole purpose of influencing your behavior. If that 15 seconds, repeated over and over, was not effective in getting you to act a certain way I seriously doubt they would spend the money.

Now play that out in terms of violence viewed repeatedly on games/tv/ movies - as a minimum it must influence behavior to a degree (ranging from dulling the shock value of violence thereby making violence more acceptable to the extreme case of prompting some to act out).

To say there is no link between what we see and how we respond would just appear to be very naive.

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First it was the drugs, then it was the guns, then it will be TV violence, maybe religion after that; the government can't "fix" things to satisfy us all and usually things seem to end up worse off.

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First it was the drugs, then it was the guns, then it will be TV violence, maybe religion after that; the government can't "fix" things to satisfy us all and usually things seem to end up worse off.
Don't disagree. Just saying you can't dismiss the link between media violence and real violence
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Don't disagree. Just saying you can't dismiss the link between media violence and real violence
That's the problem IMO, blaming the object(s) and not the person. This is exactly what people on the left are attempting to do with firearms. If they are incorrect on one isn't it logical to conclude that it is wrong for all?
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