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Old 05-07-2010, 11:25 PM   #11
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I don't like thinking like a tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist but I have been wondering a,bout things like that for a while. Every time I am buying a new toy from an FFL I wonder if something will pop up this time. Even though I have nothing on my record that would cause such a thing. It's strange to me to have that anxiety but there's always that little twinge when I wait for the call. For the last year or so anyway.
Having to ask government permission via a 'background check' in order to excersize an inalienable right SHOULD induce AT LEAST a 'twinge'.
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Having to ask government permission via a 'background check' in order to excersize an inalienable right SHOULD induce AT LEAST a 'twinge'.
It does. So does being told I have to pay nearly $180 for the privilege of asking politely for permission to exercise my 2A rights as it pertains to owning a handgun.

Last I checked, this proposed legislation has no co-sponsors so it's very probably not going anywhere. Yet. I believe it was Frank Lautenberg who crafted the bill. He should be tossed out on his arse, and his bill should go with him.
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It does. So does being told I have to pay nearly $180 for the privilege of asking politely for permission to exercise my 2A rights as it pertains to owning a handgun.

Last I checked, this proposed legislation has no co-sponsors so it's very probably not going anywhere. Yet. I believe it was Frank Lautenberg who crafted the bill. He should be tossed out on his arse, and his bill should go with him.
I've been keeping a close eye on this bill,I have it bookmarked somewhere let me look.
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OK found it-

H.R. 2159: Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2009 (GovTrack.us)

The thing is,this bill should not even be on the table so to speak.Its a blatant end run around the Second Amendment,as much as that UN treaty could be,and its wholly illegal,not to mention granting the government power Joseph Stalin himself would envy.
I keep an eye on it because the day they enact a law like this...........its over.

What concerns me the most about this law,is it seems like every single time an act of violence has grabbed national attention since this new regime took power,its been mentioned by one of the minions.
When the Shooting at Fort Hood happened,Eric Holder was basically pimping this law -along with national registration- to 'keep us safe'.He wanted the Justice Department to have the power to deny people on watch lists,along with a national registry so he could go house to house to confiscate arms from people on his lists that already own them!
Heres the story on Holder-

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/attorney-general-holder-reveals-aggressive-gun-control-in-response-to-ft-hood-terror-attack-70535237.html

http://gunowners.org/11182009transcript.htm

This is on their agenda.
Given the modus operandi of the socialist progressives,they will continue to push for this law with every tragedy that occurs until they finally get their way.

What disgusts me most is that there are elected officials even entertaining denying inalienable rights based on secret lists.

Thats Stasi East Germany crap right there-and should have resulted in the IMMEDIATE removal of office of these criminals.

The fact they are still there,and still trying to advocate such tyranny-speaks VOLUMES for where we are at as a nation.

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There's a current Senate bill version of that: S-1317.

Here's a PDF of the Liberty Coalition addressing Congress on May 5, 2010 on this issue: http://www.jpfo.org/pdf03/lib-co-titus.pdf

It highlights the more egregious no-no's in the proposed legislation. As far as I know, it doesn't have support in the Senate so it's probably not going to be pushed anytime soon.

But it never ceases to amaze me how those elected specifically for the purpose of guarding our rights churn out stuff like this.

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But it never ceases to amaze me how those elected specifically for the purpose of guarding our rights churn out stuff like this.
Oh,but dont you know?

Theyre there to 'keep us safe' and make laws for the children.

And they know best whats right for us and the children.

Now what was that about protecting liberty and obeying the law?


(Thanks for the PDF )
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In other words, S.1317 allows the Attorney General to unilaterally revoke a person's Second Amendment Right to Bear Arms by a bald assertion of terrorist inclinations, founded on "suspicion".- Liberty Coalition
This opens the door to disarming those who oppose politically the policies of current government.
That alone signifies a serious issue with the current government,because thats what dictators of all stripes do.
Of note that this sort of 'legislation' isnt an 'Obama thing'.This is a 'war on terror' thing.

And if they call you a 'terrorist',even if your a 60 year old granparent who just so happens to be a peaceful TEA party activist-no more rights for you.

The Liberty Coalition PDF is generally good,but the perspective isnt my own.
I dont believe the Second Amendment leaves any room for 'gun control' whatsoever,and find the 'heller' case to be rife with double speak and intentional flaws allowing the status quo of 'gun control' to continue despite the FACT that the Second is an inalienable individual right.

However,I'm sure we can all agree-if someone is so dangerous as they cant be trusted with firearms,then they cant be trusted with knives,baseball bats,etc-and if they are in fact that dangerous;then they belong in a cell where the excersize of inalienable rights isnt an option.
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Have I quoted this yet?-

“He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.”
Thomas Paine

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Have I quoted this yet?-

“He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.”
Thomas Paine
See, that concept that Paine (or was it really Franklin?) wrote is tremendously important in so many aspects. For example, those who want government to have the power to redistribute wealth -- take from the rich and give to the poor -- don't understand or care that they're setting the precedent that government, not individuals, owns the wealth and property. That can turn around quick and bite them on the arse.

Of course, when we're dealing with towering intellects of the sort that think Obama will give them money "from his stash" or buy them a Lexus or fill their gas tank free, Paine's words are lost on them.
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Yet. I believe it was Frank Lautenberg who crafted the bill. He should be tossed out on his arse, and his bill should go with him.
I like this solution that has been suggested before:

Rope, tree, politician. Some assembly required.
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