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clr8ter 12-28-2012 12:15 PM

In between a ban, and nothing
 
I have no doubt that everyone here thinks that banning guns or certain guns won't solve out current issues with all these people getting shot. But part of me says SOMETHING should b done. There is an article on Newser this morning that says we should have a national registry on guns AND ammo. No ban or restrictions on anything we can currently have. I say this is a very slippery slope to the govt. banning and/or collecting any and all guns & ammo.

How about something in between? I never hear anyone talk about the crazy people. When I buy a gun, there is nothing in the form, or on the background check about whether I'm crazy, been institutionalized, have a mental health background issue, or anything. (This is to the best of my knowledge.) Why? Would that be so hard to add that in to the paperwork and BG check? That would be basically the same as them checking you for felonies; if you're not supposed to have one anyway, oh well......tough. That way, the rest of us with no issues would not have our privacy infringed upon.

This is actually the basis, (I think), of my wife's anti-gun stance. Someone she knew with some apparent mental issues legally bought a gun and killed herself. Now, this would probably not solve the problem, or weed out every mentally unstable person, but it might be a good start.

powderkeg 12-28-2012 12:22 PM

There are parts on the form that deal with mental health

WebleyFosbery38 12-28-2012 12:27 PM

simple answer, protect our precious children as well as we protect our Senators! No use in shirking our responsibility to them by passing meaningless legislation that doesn't prevent crime at all.

You cant possibly believe that limiting 100% of legal and reasonable Firearms Owners Present and Future will prevent anything except free enterprise. On the other hand, any Ban of any type will raise the values of any existing weapons that pass the grandfather clause or get smuggled in by Organized Crime and other Parasites that cant and wont read or follow laws written on paper.

Any proposition that doesnt expand/ make use of and take advantage of the purposefulness of a growing interest in responsible firearms ownership to protect our children and our futures is just hogwash and meaningless BS. We are the front line defenders against sick bastards intent in evil destruction, not the cops that are 15 minutes at best from any call to "911"...

aandabooks 12-28-2012 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by clr8ter (Post 1069143)
I have no doubt that everyone here thinks that banning guns or certain guns won't solve out current issues with all these people getting shot. But part of me says SOMETHING should b done. There is an article on Newser this morning that says we should have a national registry on guns AND ammo. No ban or restrictions on anything we can currently have. I say this is a very slippery slope to the govt. banning and/or collecting any and all guns & ammo.

How about something in between? I never hear anyone talk about the crazy people. When I buy a gun, there is nothing in the form, or on the background check about whether I'm crazy, been institutionalized, have a mental health background issue, or anything. (This is to the best of my knowledge.) Why? Would that be so hard to add that in to the paperwork and BG check? That would be basically the same as them checking you for felonies; if you're not supposed to have one anyway, oh well......tough. That way, the rest of us with no issues would not have our privacy infringed upon.

This is actually the basis, (I think), of my wife's anti-gun stance. Someone she knew with some apparent mental issues legally bought a gun and killed herself. Now, this would probably not solve the problem, or weed out every mentally unstable person, but it might be a good start.

You obviously aren't reading the form that you fill-out to buya firearm or it has been so long since you bought a gun that you don't remember. It is the 3rd or 4th question down about whether you've been institutionalized in the past 5 years. It is right near the question about illegal drug use.

c3shooter 12-28-2012 12:33 PM

First- you REALLY need to go read that form 4473 you signed. It DOES ask if you have been adjudged mentally incompetent. And if you have, THAT information was supposed to have been placed in the record system, and an Insta-Check inquiry would have resulted in a DENIED response.

Second- a registry. To what end? 93% of criminal acts with a firearm are performed by people that ALREADY cannot legally own a firearm. This is sort of like saying "We have a problem with people driving on a revoked license. So we want all of you to register your cars." One group has nothing to do with the other.

Third- registries have this nasty habit of becoming a means of confiscation of firearms. Why, no- we don't want to confiscate your firearms- we just want to know where they are." Tell THAT to the folks in CA that had their legal, registered semi autos BANNED by the state.

Merkava_4 12-28-2012 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by clr8ter (Post 1069143)
How about something in between? I never hear anyone talk about the crazy people. When I buy a gun, there is nothing in the form, or on the background check about whether I'm crazy, been institutionalized, have a mental health background issue, or anything. (This is to the best of my knowledge.) Why? Would that be so hard to add that in to the paperwork and BG check? That would be basically the same as them checking you for felonies; if you're not supposed to have one anyway, oh well......tough. That way, the rest of us with no issues would not have our privacy infringed upon.

Be careful what you wish for. You'd be surprised how easy it is for someone to become mentally ill. You may think you're immune to mental illness, but I'll tell you right now - you're not.

CrazedJava 12-28-2012 01:30 PM

I am more than happy to support any gun control measures that will reduce crime.

Unfortunately, most gun control has the reverse effect. Disarming law abiding citizens seems to not deter criminals.

The laws we have work as well as they can. I support background checks for FFL transactions, I support forcing felons to not legally owning firearms, I support making people take a basic course if they want to carry, etc.

Some laws are pointless, not going to cover those.

"Compromise" is not something I'm against. However, why compromise on the current proposals that would do NOTHING to have stopped any of the recent spree killers.

Mosin 12-28-2012 02:02 PM

You're missing the point completely!!!!

Newton- guns aquired illegally!
Columbine- same thing!
This moron who shot the firemen, same thing!
These ghetto fabulous gang bangers, same thing!

The vast majority of gun crime is by weapons aquired Illegally.
The morons in charge know this, and know they can keep guns out of their hands just as easy as they can keep them from getting pot, or crack.
They can't.

They do not care one lick. They want to attack at the 2A until its eroded and gone.

Do yourself a favor. Go to all the liberal forums you can today, and read the gun threads.
They openly view gun owners as nuts, the NRA as nuts. They hate firearms in the hands of lawful gun owners, because in their eyes, gun owners are redneck, right wing, God fearing, homosexual hating, racist bigots.
They want you disarmed because every gun owner to them is the thing in their mind they hate most.
Seriously, go to some liberal forums and read. This is not about solving gun violence at all, it's about a group they hate and despise with every breath they take.

CrazedJava 12-28-2012 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mosin (Post 1069233)
This is not about solving gun violence at all, it's about a group they hate and despise with every breath they take.

What is really disgusting is that whenever the NRA suggests gun free zones contribute to these killings they are accused of using the deaths of innocents to further their agenda.

I'm watching gun control advocates practically dancing on the graves of these children to push their agenda and they get a free pass.

I'm thoroughly disgusted at how they are capitalizing on this crisis to introduce legislation that would have no effect except to erode our rights. Somehow this is ok because it is "for the children".

Introduce something that will actually protect my kids and I'll support it. Otherwise they can take a long walk off a short pier.

John_Deer 12-28-2012 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazedJava (Post 1069236)
What is really disgusting is that whenever the NRA suggests gun free zones contribute to these killings they are accused of using the deaths of innocents to further their agenda.

I'm watching gun control advocates practically dancing on the graves of these children to push their agenda and they get a free pass.

I'm thoroughly disgusted at how they are capitalizing on this crisis to introduce legislation that would have no effect except to erode our rights. Somehow this is ok because it is "for the children".

Introduce something that will actually protect my kids and I'll support it. Otherwise they can take a long walk off a short pier.

The media doesn't get a free ride. Gun controversy gives them a distraction from the real issues. Not to mention most of the media moguls have an anti gun agenda. The media is just being loyal to it's best customer, the political machine.


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