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Old 05-20-2012, 11:39 PM   #31
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Who's trolling? It's just a very good discussion of handguns (pistols and revolvers) in the hands of untrained civilians. And the things they need to think about before they go John Wayne. Like Z.

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Who's trolling? It's just a very good discussion of handguns (pistols and revolvers) in the hands of untrained civilians. And the things they need to think about before they go John Wayne. Like Z.
I forget, why were you given a nice long time-out from this forum a little while ago? Oh yeah, for acting like a troll!
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Old 05-20-2012, 11:55 PM   #33
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I forget, why were you given a nice long time-out from this forum a little while ago? Oh yeah, for acting like a troll!
Yep but.......

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lol i forget that sometimes, i'll have to give myself a time out
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Please do not feed the trolls!
Yours is the only comment so far that seems out of place

Who would you consider to be a "troll" in this thread ? I find the viewpoints and comments of others to be very worthwhile.

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Baiting people into making comments that can be (and probably will be) taken out of context IS one of the characteristics of a troll.

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It really became apparent during my Father in law conceal carry class, how much we are expected to know all the intimate details of of the laws, but the LEO's are not. The owner of the gun store was one of the instructors and an LEO, and he said multiple times, the police do not know the law, do not depend on them knowing the law. One of the other employees was also instructing and talked about how an LEO from another department called the store looking for advice... SMH. I was sitting in the class and have spent a fair amount of time trying to understand MI screwy firearm laws. I voiced some clarifying details several times, and on one touchy point, the owner made a comment about how 90% of LEO interpret the law differently, and while he agreed I was correct, following that line would earn a night in the iron cage.

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It is a paradox that the 2nd Amendment "guarantees" the right of everyone considered "the people" to "keep and bear" arms, without qualification, without training, without testing, without special considerations of their mental profile, presumably without considering their criminal records.

However in the first place, all of the states except Arizona (recently) completely ignor this Amendment in one way or another, either by requiring permits and taxing them or not issuing them at all, plus the whole slew of restrictions and infringements on it.

And there are some weapons that are highly restricted (except Kentucky), such as machine guns, submachines guns, sawed off shotguns, and to a certain extent semi-auto rifles and large capacity magazines.

Of all these ironies, the irony of the lack of training is the one that has most recently come to mind in the Z incident.

The rest of the English speaking world (Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and UK) require training first.

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It is a paradox that the 2nd Amendment "guarantees" the right of everyone considered "the people" to "keep and bear" arms, without qualification, without training, without testing, without special considerations of their mental profile, presumably without considering their criminal records.

However in the first place, all of the states except Arizona (recently) completely ignor this Amendment in one way or another, either by requiring permits and taxing them or not issuing them at all, plus the whole slew of restrictions and infringements on it.

And there are some weapons that are highly restricted (except Kentucky), such as machine guns, submachines guns, sawed off shotguns, and to a certain extent semi-auto rifles and large capacity magazines.

Of all these ironies, the irony of the lack of training is the one that has most recently come to mind in the Z incident.

The rest of the English speaking world (Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and UK) require training first.
how much training do you think our forefathers and the framers of the Constitution had? how many hours of training do you think the pioneers going out west and settling the new frontier had? do you think that there were not people with mental issues hundreds of years ago or it is just something that has occured in present day times? did you know that when someone was released from prison prior to the 1900's that they got their property back, including any weapons or firearms they may have had? the 2nd admendment doesn't guarantee any rights, but acknoledges our God given rights will not be infringed upon.

what needs to happen is a national CC law that any law abiding citizen who is legally able to buy a firearm can carry concealed. what we also need is a national Castle Law that allows citizens the right to defend themselves against violent criminals. so what is your position as to where we get where we need to be? training or no training? permits or not permits?

so when the Constitution was written, do you think they envisioned high capacity mags, sawed-off shotguns, fully automatic firearms and ect.? i saw no such provision in it myself. so do you they should or should not be restricted?

so who do you propose should do the training? if training were required, before being able to own or carry, would that not also infringe upon the 2nd admendment? so should we adopt other nations policies and laws in regard to our nation? so what qualifications should someone have before being able to possess and own a firearm?

i hate say it shoobee, but your viewpoint almost sounds very liberal in nature. your post is almost opposing in the way you have written it. do you support the the 2nd admendment or not? it's a simple question.
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Axxe stop feeding the little green idjit and MAYBE he will leave.

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