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Old 01-28-2011, 05:04 PM   #21
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I have to wonder why the "gun control act of 1968", which brought up the whole "sporting purpose" BS, survived through the Bush years? I mean, i didn't and don't agree with Bush on everything, but i thought he was in favor of the 2nd Amendment? There was a pretty solid republican power base backing Bush up for a good portion of those years, IIRC. Seriously, his administration had enough pull to get us involved in two wars, but they couldn't give us regular people back our less-restricted, should've never been restricted RKBA? WTH!?

Makes me think that even the Republicans don't want a well-armed citizenry out there.

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well I guess I can't replace all those guns I lost in that boating accident

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I have to wonder why the "gun control act of 1968", which brought up the whole "sporting purpose" BS, survived through the Bush years? I mean, i didn't and don't agree with Bush on everything, but i thought he was in favor of the 2nd Amendment? There was a pretty solid republican power base backing Bush up for a good portion of those years, IIRC. Seriously, his administration had enough pull to get us involved in two wars, but they couldn't give us regular people back our less-restricted, should've never been restricted RKBA? WTH!?

Makes me think that even the Republicans don't want a well-armed citizenry out there.
Ahh i think you got it now grasshopper.
I don't think most of them REALLY support 2A. Just enough to get the votes they need out of us. The GCA of '68 also survived Reagan and the first Bush.

What odds does anyone see of having Congress overturn the GCA of 68? Bush and congress wouldn't even do anything to repeal the AWB. They just let it expire.
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are these not subjectable to the 10 round limit!!?? i live in NY and so far as long as its 10 and under (without being pre-ban) youre right as rain...now just because its a shotty its gotta be 5?!?!? wth?!
No, this is only a report. It's not law. Yet. Stay tuned.

(And you're aware that 10-rd limit only applies to semis, right? I've got a collapsible stock and a 7+1 magtube on my 870 and it's perfectly legal in NYS because it's a pump.)
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This is the one thing that I thought about every time I seen the term sporting purpose. It doesn't matter. "sporting purposes" is not the only reason to own any weapon. This BS needs gone and in a hurry. any lawmaker that believes this is the proper criteria needs gone..It's just that simple.
Well, that would be most lawmakers in New York State. One of them was complaining about .50s and said there's no sporting purpose for them and that they could be used against politicians. Uh, yes. That's exactly one reason for 2A: as a means for freedom-loving citizens to retain their freedom for overzealous politicians when petitions and ballots no longer work.

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The only reason government wants to restrict what we can own is so the government will always have the power to suppress any action taken by citizens. I'm not saying actino needs to ber taken. But at some point it just might. So the restrictions are just to keep people as weak as possible.
Exactly right.

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Right now, a big problem we have is the huge number of idiot citizens who would support new anti-gun laws.
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No, this is only a report. It's not law. Yet. Stay tuned.
Isn't there a way to comment on this report? If so, whining that the GCA of 1968 still exists probably wouldn't do much good; what would be a good argument?
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i didnt read the whole thing because I got all antsy and upset...I thought they were going to make shotguns in general 5 round limit. And I know...i have a bps 6+1

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Isn't there a way to comment on this report? If so, whining that the GCA of 1968 still exists probably wouldn't do much good; what would be a good argument?
Pulled from AR15 forum, they have 7 pages running on this issue:

""ATF announces the publication of the Study on the Importability of Certain Shotguns. To obtain comments from the affected industry, ATF will be accepting comments January 31, 2011, through May 1, 2011, at shotgunstudy@atf.gov"

Make your voices heard, folks. Send it to everyone in your mailing list."

Here is the ATF website,

http://www.atf.gov/

Scroll down to January 26 Headquarters —ATF announces the publication of the Study on the Importability of Certain Shotguns. To obtain comments from the affected industry, ATF will be accepting comments January 31, 2011, through May 1, 2011, at shotgunstudy@atf.gov
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When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. -Thomas Jefferson

Right now, a big problem we have is the huge number of idiot, I want my life to be run by the government, "sheeple", who would support new anti-gun laws.
There, I fixed that for ya.
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disgusting, simply disgusting...I can find no other words...

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