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Bigcountry02 01-27-2011 10:35 PM

BATF Shotgun Study is out
Pulled from Cheaper than dirt site, read the whole thing; but, look at page 5 Firearm Features :mad:

JonM 01-27-2011 10:41 PM

its high time that we the people save some money and defund and disband the batf.

Bigcountry02 01-27-2011 10:43 PM

Watch for Shotgun modification parts / kits to fly off the shelves and prices to increase!

dog2000tj 01-27-2011 10:44 PM

Looks like it's time to order up my shotgun before some azzhat bureaucrat decides it has "no sporting purpose". :mad:

Bigcountry02 01-27-2011 10:52 PM


Originally Posted by dog2000tj (Post 431155)
Looks like it's time to order up my shotgun before some azzhat bureaucrat decides it has "no sporting purpose". :mad:

That means the Kel-Tec Bull-pup Shotgun will not be for public usage.

RJMercer 01-27-2011 11:00 PM

I love it when a bueraucrat hiding behind an armed security force decides what is best suited for me to defend my family and property.
I have to defend against a criminal element that gets braver and more brazen every time a gun control measure is introduced.

Bigcountry02 01-27-2011 11:06 PM

Read the section on 5-Shot Tubular or Magazine. I only have the standard Remington 870, no mods! Too much old school!

(4) Magazine over 5 rounds, or a Drum Magazine.
A magazine is an ammunition storage and feeding device that delivers a round into the chamber of the firearm during automatic or semiautomatic firing.37 A magazine is either integral (tube magazine) to the firearm or is removable (box magazine). A drum magazine is a large circular magazine that is generally detachable and is designed to hold a large amount of ammunition.

The 1989 Study recognized that virtually all modern military firearms are designed to accept large, detachable magazines. The 1989 Study noted that this feature provides soldiers with a large ammunition supply and the ability to reload rapidly. The 1998 Study concurred with this and found that, for rifles, the ability to accept a detachable large capacity magazine was not a
sporting feature. The majority of shotguns on the market today contain an integral “tube” magazine. However, certain shotguns utilize removable box magazine like those commonly used for rifles.

In regard to sporting purposes, the working group found no appreciable difference between integral tube magazines and removable box magazines. Each type allowed for rapid loading, reloading, and firing of ammunition. For example, “speed loaders” are available for shotguns with tube-type magazines. These speed loaders are designed to be preloaded with shotgun shells and can reload a shotgun with a tube-type magazine in less time than it takes to change a detachable magazine.

However, the working group determined that magazines capable of holding large amounts of ammunition, regardless of type, are particularly designed and most suitable for military and law enforcement applications. The majority of state hunting laws restrict shotguns to no more than 5 rounds. This is justifiable because those engaged in sports shooting events are not engaging in potentially hostile or confrontational situations, and therefore do not require the large amount of immediately available ammunition, as do military service members and police officers.

Finally, drum magazines are substantially wider and have considerably more bulk than standard clip-type magazines. They are cumbersome and, when attached to the shotgun, make it more difficult for a hunter to engage multiple small moving targets. Further, drum magazines are generally designed to contain more than 5 rounds. Some contain as many as 20 or more rounds.40 While such magazines may have a military or law enforcement application, the working group determined that they are not useful for any generally recognized sporting purpose. These types of magazines are unlawful to use for hunting in most states, and their possession and manufacture are even prohibited or restricted in some states.

dunerunner 01-28-2011 12:29 AM

This effin sucks, and just when I haven't a spare dime to get out and buy a tactical shotty!!

Gatekeeper 01-28-2011 01:30 AM

Now correct me if I'm wrong but this study doesn't "outlaw" anything. It is a study that recommends against the Import of shotguns wearing the so called non sporting features. (folding stock, flash suppressor, bayonet lug, mag capacity over 5rd magazine, etc)

If thats the case, even if they decide to ban the import of shotguns wearing these features, shotguns such as the Saiga 12 would still be importable because they are imported with a straight sporter stock and a five round magazine.

It's a study not a ruling...yet

freefall 01-28-2011 01:47 AM

Then they would be subject to Rule 922R, neh?

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