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Old 03-20-2012, 11:52 AM   #71
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I got a response to the email I sent.. It was very apparent to me that they'd not read my email by the canned response that I got.. It would be a simple process of reversing their policy since the law is very clear on sales to non-residents. Bottom line to me appears that they're blowing smoke hoping we all just go away..

Best thing would be if the NRA-ILA got involved. Might check with them to see if this is even on their radar...

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just wanted to add...i'm thoroughly shocked and disappointed about the # of people who dont give a damn about gun control until it's their gun on the line.

So to you 29 others who have signed the petition, or sent some emails, or contacted your representatives to ask for a change in the laws (abolish FOID!) then I say Thank you for being a Great American.
I was born and raised, and lived 38 years of my life in Illinois, and I understand where you are coming from. With that said you have to understand that much like California, Illinois is a lost cause from a gun control standpoint. It has become so entrenched with socialist democrats there is no turning back. It will only get worse with people the likes of Rahm Emanuel in power. As Eli Wallach said in, "The Good, The Bad, & The Ugly",....."One bastard goes out, and another comes in!"

I got so fed up I left for Arizona 21 years ago. It was the best thing I ever did. I'm only sorry I didn't leave sooner. It was a big move, but I'm very glad I made it. I went from paying over $4,000.00 a year in property tax at the time, to just over $800.00. I checked and the taxes on the home we sold there back in 91 are now over $9,000.00 per year. My current taxes are $940.00, or less than 10% of what I would be paying there. And mind you the state is broke. What I would have paid in taxes over the last 21 years would have paid for every gun I've ever bought since I've been out here, with money to spare.

There is nothing wrong with "fighting the good fight", mind you. But only if you can win the fight. Much like Iraq and Afghanistan that has become an impossible task. Places like Illinois, California, and Massachusetts are battles lost, period. It would be better served to concentrate effort where it can do more good. I'm afraid that doesn't include places like Illinois, and hasn't for some time.
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There is nothing wrong with "fighting the good fight", mind you. But only if you can win the fight. Much like Iraq and Afghanistan that has become an impossible task. Places like Illinois, California, and Massachusetts are battles lost, period. It would be better served to concentrate effort where it can do more good. I'm afraid that doesn't include places like Illinois, and hasn't for some time.
I agree with just about everything you're saying - except that Gun Owners are still the overwhelming majority demographic in Illinois...we just need to get off our asses and go put our opinions down on paper every election and NEVER vote fro ANYONE who has ever once supported any form of Gun Control.

It's only lost if we, supporters of the 2nd, allow it to be.
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I agree with just about everything you're saying - except that Gun Owners are still the overwhelming majority demographic in Illinois....
Very true, and I won't argue with that statement. However, gun owners are not the party in power in Illinois, and haven't been for some time. (Since Richard J. Daly Sr. took power in the 50's). It's been all downhill for Illinois since then, gun control wise. The Mayor Of Chicago arguably has as much, if not more power than the governor of that state. Since he controls a larger electorate. Most of which is comprised of socialist, democratic minorities which they heavily cater to. Cook, Lake, and DuPage County property taxes prove that if they prove anything. It's unbelievable how that state can make money disappear. All for the good of socialists, NOT gun owners.
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Sad, when folks outside of Illinois take an interest, and it's all for naught. But let's get the focus back where it belongs. There is a big problem with how Illinois regulates guns. But there is a much bigger problem when a nationwide chain like Bass Pros Shops established a policy that is directly opposed to state law based solely on the commentary from an Illinois State Police officer. I have great respect for LEOs who guard our safety. I have very little respect for those who promote anti-gun agendas for no respectable reason.

The bottom line is that BPS is NOT legally restricted from selling ammunition to non-residents, as the original poster was describing. Worse yet were the statements made by the BPS staff at the time of the refusal, which were basically "We won't sell to you because Wisconsin has passed concealed carry." Let's focus on the original post. BPS said no because an Illinois State Police officer told them they should not with "nothing in writing". Where are the legal beagles at BPS? The law is not well written, but pretty clear as written, non-residents can buy ammunition in Illinois.

BPS needs either to stand up and admit that they were wrong and are changing their policy, or to stand behind their decision to comply with the ISP agenda and refuse to sell ammunition. Until they choose the first path (admit wrong and change), some of us will no longer do business with BPS. Sure wish some of the other like-minded folks on line here would join in.

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So, as I said earlier, I emailed a TON of State Representatives, called them, etc, about some members of the Illinois State Police playing eLawyer with Illinois businesses...

Got my first response today:

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Dear Mr. Pruitt:



Thank you for contacting me about the PROTECT IP Act (PIPA), S. 968, and its House of Representatives companion, the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA). In January 2012, due to overwhelming public pressure and opposition, Congress pulled the bills from further consideration.



I stand with those who stand for freedom and opposed PIPA. Freedom of speech is an inalienable right granted to each and every American, and the Internet has become the primary tool with which we utilize this right. The Internet empowers Americans to learn, create, innovate, and express their views. While we should protect American intellectual property, consumer safety and human rights, we should do so in a manner that specifically targets criminal activity. The extreme measures taken in PIPA would not only have stifled First Amendment rights, but would also have hampered innovation on the Internet.



S. 968 would have allowed for abuse of our Constitutional rights, giving the Attorney General sweeping powers to block domain names of websites the Justice Department deemed were "dedicated to infringing activities." Under current law, the Digital Millennium Copyright Act already requires service providers to block access to infringing material, but S. 968 would have blocked access to entire websites that may have only carried a page containing infringing material generated by a third-party user.



S. 968 would also have placed too great a burden on small Internet startups, as it would have provided a private right of action to copyright owners. Since the bill would have forced the takedown of an entire site, not just the specific infringing page, it would have held user-generated websites liable for any content posted. This fear of liability and resulting uncertainty would have crippled innovation on the Internet, one of our greatest economic engines.



I was also concerned about the bill's provisions to undermine the security of the entire Internet. Network engineers and cybersecurity experts warned the technical implementation of the Domain Name System blocking requirement could not function with new security protocols, also known as DNSSEC, currently being implemented across the worldwide web.



While I support the need to protect online intellectual property theft, PIPA in its original form is unacceptable. It would have had widespread unintended consequences that would have stifled freedom of speech and Internet innovation across the globe. This bill placed far too much regulation on the Internet and would have impacted more than just those foreign "rogue" websites for which it was intended. I cannot support such a measure that recklessly tampers with the Internet and our inalienable rights as citizens of a free nation..



Thank you for taking the time to contact me on this issue. Please feel free to contact me at (312) 886-3506 or online at http://kirk.senate.gov if you have any questions or concerns before Congress or the federal government. It is an honor to serve you in the Senate.

Yup. I emailed about FOID, and he wants to talk about SOPA and PIPA (Two bills which no longer even exist)

What an idiot.

This state is ****ed.
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What a damned idiot, sadly I too have gotten responses similar to this from my state reps up here, it really makes my blood boil.

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SOPA, PIPA, FOID, they're all 4 letter words. You just got the boilerplate junk that the (elected) monkey was trained to spit up when he encountered a 4 letter word. Wonder what he'd have done with a 3 letter word, like GUN or IRA?

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So, as I said earlier, I emailed a TON of State Representatives, called them, etc, about some members of the Illinois State Police playing eLawyer with Illinois businesses...

Got my first response today:




Yup. I emailed about FOID, and he wants to talk about SOPA and PIPA (Two bills which no longer even exist)

What an idiot.

This state is ****ed.



That goes out in masses. Probably saw a recent email from you and bam sent that too you.
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well, it's been four months, and nobody has responded to any of my requests for an update (as far as the folks at Bass Pro Shops)

I take this as a sign that they're ignoring me/us.

That's fine.

There's always Cabelas & Scheels.

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