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laynejc 04-09-2011 01:32 AM

ATF shotgun study
Below is a copy from the NRA's website about the shotgun study, and below that in red is a copy of the email that I sent to the ATF, explaining what sporting purpose large capacity shotgun have for me. feel free to copy my letter and send your own, the NRA has provided an email address for the ATF.

Deadline Nears On BATFE Shotgun Ban Comments

Friday, April 08, 2011

As we reported on Jan. 28, May 1 is the deadline for public comments concerning a shotgun importation ban that has been proposed by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives. A working group within the BATFE has recommended that any shotgun (semi-automatic, pump-action or any other) that has any one of 10 specific features should be banned from importation, on the grounds that such shotguns are not “generally recognized as particularly suitable for a readily adaptable to sporting purposes.”

The features in question are a folding, telescoping, or collapsible stock; a magazine of over five rounds or a drum magazine; a flash suppressor or a muzzle brake that also suppresses flash; an integrated rail system other than on top of the receiver or barrel; a light enhancing device; a forward pistol grip or similar protruding part; an “excessive” weight of over 10 pounds; an “excessive bulk” of over three inches width and/or over four inches depth; a bayonet lug; or “a grenade-launcher mount.”

The working group considers “sporting purposes” to be limited to hunting, skeet, trap and sporting clays, but not to include practical shotgun matches or recreational target shooting. To have considered practical matches, the working group said, could have led to conclusions that would undercut the BATFE’s 1989 and 1998 bans on the importation of semi-automatic rifles, and its 1993 ban on the importation of various semi-automatic pistols. The working group also indicated a reluctance to accept practical matches because they test defensive firearm skills, which the working group believes are of military and police orientation.

Since the law conditions a firearm’s ability to be imported on whether it is “generally recognized” as meeting the law’s sporting purpose test, it is important that the BATFE hear from members of the general public. Particularly relevant will be the comments of people who use shotguns equipped with one or more of the features for hunting or any form of competitive or recreational target shooting, and people who adapt such shotguns to a sporting purpose by simple modifications, such as attaching or removing a flashlight, attaching or removing a forward grip, or installing or removing a magazine extension or magazine plug.

Comments to the BATFE may be submitted by e-mail to, or by fax to (202) 648-9601, and must be received by May 1, 2011. Faxed comments may not exceed 5 pages. All comments must include name and mailing address.

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Shotguns that hold large capacity are ideal for hunting snow geese during the “extended” season. Snow geese are the only legal waterfowl to hunt at that time and can be taken in ANY number, there is no bag limit so shotguns with large capacity are a great tool to have. When you get a tornado, they just keep coming and coming and coming. A tornado or vortex is when there is a large flock that has committed to landing and spiral in their decent. They can not hear the gunshots over their own squawking and therefore do not fly away as you shoot. The saiga is ideal for this as it is a magazine fed shotgun and reloads are faster since you don’t have to manually place them in the tube one at a time, which can be difficult during the tornado. There maybe other shotguns that are ideal that I am unaware of. Thank you for your time reading this.

easterner123 04-09-2011 02:44 AM

F#*k sporting purposes. The second amendment is to protect us from them, its not about goose hunting (although its a pertinent point). Politicians have simply said "sporting purpose" long enough for the general populace to believe it. It disgusts me there are bans at all.

pandamonium 04-09-2011 06:13 AM

I understand your thoughts in the e-mail, the problem I have, is that we should even FEEL COMPELLED AT ALL TO HAVE TO JUSTIFY A FIREARM WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE!!!!!!!!

I apologize in advance for the following...

I am so effing sick of these friggin butt-holes who have a complete and total dis-regard for the Constitution of the United States of America!!! These people should be imprisoned for...something.. I don't know!! I would call it TREASON!!! Destruction of the Country that THOUSANDS have given their lives to protect!!! I wonder if these jerk-offs have even READ the Constitution!! EVER!! I think the if Thomas Jefferson and company were here today, they would probably start another revolution!!! The dumb-ass, brainless, mind-controlled sheeple in this country better wake the hell up and get with the friggin program or we are gonna be in some deep sh!t!!! They like socialism?? Move to France then!! Oh wait, they would need someone to subsidize their language lessons. Plus they already have it made HERE!!! They should be ASHAMED to call themselves AMERICANS!! :mad:

Takes a deep breath....sorry, I had to get that out. I feel a little better now.

dunerunner 04-09-2011 06:29 AM

They have no constitutional or legal authority to impose this statute or to use the "No Sporting Purpose" phrase to exclude specific firearms from public ownership.

Getting them to admit it and abide by the 2A is another thing entirely.

There is no sporting purpose for any firearm other than a deer rifle or shotgun. That leaves a ton of weapons that can be justifiably be excluded using this line of logic (illogic)!

The BS at BATF needs to stop!

laynejc 04-09-2011 02:02 PM

AGREED! (with the members here) The BS definately needs to stop. It should be the B.A.T.

Tackleberry1 04-09-2011 02:52 PM

We are all better off sharing this info with our elected officials and demanding the "sporting purpose" language be stricken from the BATF PERMANENTLY. With conservative control of the House and the strong possibility of Conservatives sweeping the Senate and WH in 2012, we could end this debate shortly.


alsaqr 04-09-2011 04:33 PM


They have no constitutional or legal authority to impose this statute or to use the "No Sporting Purpose" phrase to exclude specific firearms from public ownership.
The legal authority is the GCA 1968. There is a "sporting purposes" clause in the law. The first guns to be banned from import were the so called "Saturday night specials".

In 1984 the "sporting purposes" test" was applied to a long gun for the first time. The gun in question was a South African riot control shotgun. In 1986 another shotgun was banned. In 1989 the Bush I administration banned about 40 semi-auto rifles from importation. In the late 90s Clinton banned the import of even more semi-auto guns.

dunerunner 04-09-2011 05:44 PM

I was saying the GCA of 1968 is unconstitutional and violates the 2A. This guise of protecting us from dangerous products is just one more way for them to grow the government!

Ploofy 04-09-2011 10:46 PM

I'll be honest. I can understand the Grenade Launcher and Bayonet things, as well as the flash supressor, but the rest is ridiculous.

dunerunner 04-09-2011 11:07 PM

The founders intended for the citizens to be the military and therefore armed in that manner!

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