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Old 11-30-2011, 03:10 PM   #481
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The feds never had any constitutional authority to regulate marijuana either, until we let them outgrow their purpose. Teasing was a useful tool with the Boston Tea Party. It got the ball rolling on getting rid of a tyranical government that had past its usefulness.
The grim reality is all it's going to accomplish now, is to wind up getting many of these people felonies on their records, lost gun and voter rights, and big attorney fees trying to keep their asses out of jail. In the end they will have accomplished nothing but making life difficult and expensive for themselves, with no change brought about what so ever.
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Medical MJ is bull$hit

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The feds never had any constitutional authority to regulate marijuana either, until we let them outgrow their purpose.

Teasing was a useful tool with the Boston Tea Party. It got the ball rolling on getting rid of a tyranical government that had past its usefulness.

An alternative is a "reboot" for the federal government, something i think has been long overdue since the days of the "New Deal" aka "Intro to American Socialism".


I do agree that the pothead wanting to stay armed would be wise to keep their marijuana use (medical or recreational) unofficial and among friends, which the federal government obviously is not.

It seems like the card-carrying potheads would be better off if they would avoid buying from/through that other federal overreach, the FFL.
Sorry to bring this thread back,I was going to let it die,but I couldn't stop myself from adding that federal law DOES NOT "trump" state law,thats not the way it works as per the Constitution.


First of all the Supremacy Clause is very clear that federal law must FIRST abide by the Constitution,WHICH ITSELF IS THE HIGHEST LAW,before it can even be considered legitimate.

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding."
-Article VI, Clause 2 of the United States Constitution,the "supremacy clause"

The claim that "federal law trumps state law" is also being used to support Obamacare.Of course,Obutthead care supporters think that the commerce clause gives the government the power to order Americans to buy a product.
Absolute nonsense,in fact -COMPLETE AND TOTAL BULL$HIT.

I can go further into just what the commerce clause is all about and how bastardized and illegitimate its "modern interpretation" and usage is today,but thats not the point of this discussion.

So where in the Constitution does it say that the federal government has the power to tell people what they can and cannot consume on a consensual basis in the privacy of their homes?

Remember the Volstead Act?
The federal government actually had to literally amend the Constitution before it had the power to enforce prohibition.

Where is the amendment for the so-called "war on drugs"?

Further,the states do in fact have the right to assert themselves in a position of "interposition" between the people and the federal government when the federal government is doing things that are not part of their lawful authority.

James Madison and Thomas Jefferson BOTH used this actual practice to achieve full success over the Adams administration and its Alien and Sedition Acts.

"The powers of the federal government, as resulting from the compact(the Constitution of The United States), to which the states are parties; as limited by the plain sense and intention of the instrument constituting the compact; as no further valid that they are authorized by the grants enumerated in that compact(the Constitution)."
-James Madison

"........that the government created by this compact was not made the exclusive or final judge of the extent of the powers delegated to itself; since that would have made its discretion, and not the Constitution, the measure of its powers; but that, as in all other cases of compact among powers having no common judge, each party (Each state) has an equal right to judge for itself........"
-Thomas Jefferson,Kentucky Resolutions of 1798

To see so-called conservatives cheer for the Obama administration when its blatantly corrupt "justice department" under Eric "The Gunwalker Man" Holder illegitimately cracking down on a position that said so called conservatives champion is both very contradictory and telling of the fact that MOST conservatives,if you call them such,have absolutely no idea as to what the Constitution is all about,nor do they give a damn about the Cause of Liberty,as they would use government to achieve their goals of what their version of a perfect America should be DESPITE the constitution and DESPITE the fact that they look JUST like the liberals they claim to despise who use government to achieve their little idea of "utopia".

Also-

Government cannot "take" inalienable,God given rights any more then it can take your soul.

It can choose to abide them or violate them and that is it.

A government that chooses to abide them is the principle object of the Founders Revolution,the Constitution,and the Cause of Liberty.

A government that violates inalienable rights for any reason is nothing less then a tyrannical one.

"It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it."
-George Washington

"Rights come from GOD not the state. You have rights antecedent to any earthly governments rights that can not be repealed or restrained by human laws. Rights derived from the great legislator: God."
-John Adams

“The people... shall have the right to keep and bear arms; and they need no permission or
regulation of law for the purpose.”

-Thomas Cooley,Treatise on Constitutional Limitations,1868

And if you want to say that my opinion is a "pipe dream",perhaps you should consider that the reason why we have such tyranny as "gun control" and "obamacare" in the first place,is because the Constitution has become a "pipe dream".

True liberty is when people can live together in peace with one another despite different lifestyles.

TYRANNY is what you get when government is used as a tool to OPPRESS otherwise peaceable people who you do not like.

Time to wake up.

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Here we go again...

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I'd also like to add for the readers' consideration that the COURTS are not the final arbiter of what is or is not Constitutional.

As parties to the contract -the Constitution- the states which created the central government to serve their interests (and NOT the other way around) are in fact legally able to judge for themselves the extent to which the government laws may or may not be Constitutional.

This is the Principle of Federalism this nation was founded to be.
Anything else,is a complete and total abrogation intended by those in power in the federal government to achieve a NATIONAL government -a government that runs everything and has power over all- out of the LAWFULLY LIMITED FEDERAL government which we are SUPPOSED TO HAVE.

"........that the government created by this compact was not made the exclusive or final judge of the extent of the powers delegated to itself; since that would have made its discretion, and not the Constitution, the measure of its powers; but that, as in all other cases of compact among powers having no common judge, each party (Each state) has an equal right to judge for itself........"
-Thomas Jefferson,Kentucky Resolutions of 1798


"You seem ... to consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions; a very dangerous doctrine indeed, and one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy. Our judges are as honest as other men, and not more so. They have, with others, the same passions for party, for power, and the privilege of their corps.... Their power [is] the more dangerous as they are in office for life, and not responsible, as the other functionaries are, to the elective control. The Constitution has erected no such single tribunal, knowing that to whatever hands confided, with the corruptions of time and party, its members would become despots. It has more wisely made all the departments co-equal and co-sovereign within themselves."
-Thomas Jefferson,1820


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to be trusted for life, if secured against all liability to account."

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Here we go again...
Sorry.
I'm not one to quit or give up.

I just.....couldnt resist.
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Sorry.
I'm not one to quit or give up.
No no, its alright. I just thought we had made a conclusion on this thread. I truly enjoy reading your posts so don't get me wrong.
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I was going to let it go....but I just couldnt.

You know,I don't smoke pot.
I don't give a rats bald a$$ about the stuff.

But FREE PEOPLE have the RIGHT to put in their bodies,anything they please,and so long as they do not violate the rights of other people,then so be it.

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it."
-Thomas Jefferson

The core fundamental principle of human liberty is property ownership.The most important aspect of the unquestionable right to own property is ownership of ones own body.When the government can claim that you can't even decide what to put in your own body,but that IT gets to do that FOR YOU,and PUNISH YOU IF YOU DISOBEY,is there truly liberty?

"The true foundation of republican government is the equal right of every citizen in his person and property and in their management."
-Thomas Jefferson


"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law', because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual."
-Thomas Jefferson

Wait I know!

Liberty is when Obama and Nancy Pelosi get to tell us to buy health insurance or pay a fine!!!!

Liberty is the benevolent,all knowing and all seeing government taking care of us from cradle to grave,ensuring that we are healthy and safe from all the evil (fill in the blank) that can possibly hurt us....but most of all......liberty is freedom from responsibility!!!

YEAH!!!

YEAH FOR THE NANNY STATE!!!!



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