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Old 10-11-2011, 01:27 PM   #121
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BKT, it's not that i don't agree with you, but until they are nullified, it is still illegal to break them. i think they should legalize marijuana, because i don't see any difference between it or alcohol, but alcohol is legal. and just because they legalize marijuana, i'm not going to start smoking it. i very seldom ever drink alcohol. like i'm saying, for the most part i do agree with you, but even if a law is illegal, they will still punish you if you break that law.
We're on the same page. In regard to California, however, the state HAS legalized it. The question should be put before a court whether or not the feds have the authority to trump a state law and on what grounds, particularly given the arguably illegal "war on drugs" at the federal level.
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Has anyone considered that this is actually a politically motivated move by Obama and his followers to distract from the drone strike and other moves by his government?
Possibly a move to step in at the last moment and 'reign in' his DOJ to let things go back to normal, so he looks like a hero just in time for elections, and we're all getting sucked into a smoke and mirrors operation?

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California citizens have made themselves weak. There is a price to be paid for giving up there 2A rights. I don't care If the Feds take them over. They brought it on themselves.

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alaska,arizona,colorado,california,delaware hawaii,maine michigan,montana,nevada,new jersey,new mexico,oregon,rhode island,vermont,and washington,these states all have medical marajuana laws so are they also weak this is a law for all states with the law.
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The 13th amendment bans slavery. It is part of the constitution and thus is the supreme law of the land. No, states do not have a say in this.

The ATF is a tax collection agency and is an arm of the Department of Justice. Show us all where in the constitution the ATF may exist and where the federal government has the legal authority to ban any drugs?

Finally, go re-read the 10th amendment and explain to us why the feds would have jurisdiction in a state matter that isn't covered by the constitution.
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all i can say is call the DEA up and tell them you are going to start farming marijuana and they have jurisdiction over you. when you hang up, call the BATF and tell them you are going to modify any weapon you want to to fully auto and the have jurisdiction over you either. when they show up, you explain to them, that they can't arrest you, as it's unconstitutionable. when you get your one phone call, tell us how it worked out!
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So my question to a few people here is this: should those who use pot (for whatever reason) be lawfully, reasonably banned from owning firearms because the ATF and DoJ say so?

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Of course not. But that is currently the law.

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So my question to a few people here is this: should those who use pot (for whatever reason) be lawfully, reasonably banned from owning firearms because the ATF and DoJ say so?
Not only no but HELL NO!!! Owning firearms is a basic human personal RIGHT. The ban (war on drugs) on pot is an unlawful overreach of Federal authority in more than one way!
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So my question to a few people here is this: should those who use pot (for whatever reason) be lawfully, reasonably banned from owning firearms because the ATF and DoJ say so?
I would say NO, they SHOULD not be banned.

Though i can't deny there are currently some government agencies that don't agree with me on that.

Afterall, what better safety colors are there than tiedye?



If the feds are gonna "over-reach", is a reach-around out of the question at least?
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