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Old 10-07-2011, 04:28 PM   #111
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It's a slippery slope. Yeah, I know. Generic but true in this case. I value my privacy and rights.

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Like Evil Kneival once said, When you are a champion, you can stay high on your own adrenalin, you don't need pills or weed .

If you live in Texas, own guns, have your mind in the right place regarding
a subject we are barred from discussing here, haha, you are a Champion !

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Like Evil Kneival once said, When you are a champion, you can stay high on your own adrenalin, you don't need pills or weed .

If you live in Texas, own guns, have your mind in the right place regarding
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Ah men brother! Oh, and you don't need adrenalin if you have Tigers Blood!
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Question Why just marijuana?

It would seem if someone has a legal prescription for marijuana, and the state permits it, this shouldn't have anything to do with what else you are permitted to do.. i.e. obtain a CCW permit.

Now, if there is a problem with prescribed marijuana users and handguns, the first thing would be to make the data public, and examine the root cause of the problem. Maybe the problem is not genuinely prescribed marijuana users and CCWs, but people who should not have been prescribed in the first place. if this is the case then we need to crack down on the MDs prescribing it. Clearly until the facts are known, this seems to be a very arbitrary decision.

Additionally, there are many other prescribed medications, that if abused will not be healthy when coupled with a handgun. Which of these will be next if we start with the slippery slope of marijuana?

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It would seem if someone has a legal prescription for marijuana, and the state permits it, this shouldn't have anything to do with what else you are permitted to do.. i.e. obtain a CCW permit.

Now, if there is a problem with prescribed marijuana users and handguns, the first thing would be to make the data public, and examine the root cause of the problem. Maybe the problem is not genuinely prescribed marijuana users and CCWs, but people who should not have been prescribed in the first place. if this is the case then we need to crack down on the MDs prescribing it. Clearly until the facts are known, this seems to be a very arbitrary decision.

Additionally, there are many other prescribed medications, that if abused will not be healthy when coupled with a handgun. Which of these will be next if we start with the slippery slope of marijuana?
marijuana is a controlled substance. mandated by the federal government. firearms come under the BATF. BATF is a federal agency. see the picture! doctors don't prescribe marijuana, they recommend it. some states allow it for medical purposes, still doesn't make it legal, they just turn a blind eye. a state can't disregard federal law, if they could, wouldn't slavery still be legal?
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It would seem if someone has a legal prescription for marijuana, and the state permits it, this shouldn't have anything to do with what else you are permitted to do.. i.e. obtain a CCW permit.

Now, if there is a problem with prescribed marijuana users and handguns, the first thing would be to make the data public, and examine the root cause of the problem. Maybe the problem is not genuinely prescribed marijuana users and CCWs, but people who should not have been prescribed in the first place. if this is the case then we need to crack down on the MDs prescribing it. Clearly until the facts are known, this seems to be a very arbitrary decision.

Additionally, there are many other prescribed medications, that if abused will not be healthy when coupled with a handgun. Which of these will be next if we start with the slippery slope of marijuana?
I know someone in northern CA who grows pot to supply to folks with a medical sign-off. He told me anyone can get the prescription from a doctor...a polite request and a $50 bill usually does the trick.

This doesn't bother the CA government too much because a) those people will use pot anyway and at least this way they're working within the letter of the law, and b) it means more tax revenue for a cash-starved state.
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marijuana is a controlled substance. mandated by the federal government. firearms come under the BATF. BATF is a federal agency. see the picture! doctors don't prescribe marijuana, they recommend it. some states allow it for medical purposes, still doesn't make it legal, they just turn a blind eye. a state can't disregard federal law, if they could, wouldn't slavery still be legal?
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The 13th amendment bans slavery. It is part of the constitution and thus is the supreme law of the land. No, states do not have a say in this.

The ATF is a tax collection agency and is an arm of the Department of Justice. Show us all where in the constitution the ATF may exist and where the federal government has the legal authority to ban any drugs?

Finally, go re-read the 10th amendment and explain to us why the feds would have jurisdiction in a state matter that isn't covered by the constitution.
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The 13th amendment bans slavery. It is part of the constitution and thus is the supreme law of the land. No, states do not have a say in this.

The ATF is a tax collection agency and is an arm of the Department of Justice. Show us all where in the constitution the ATF may exist and where the federal government has the legal authority to ban any drugs?

Finally, go re-read the 10th amendment and explain to us why the feds would have jurisdiction in a state matter that isn't covered by the constitution.
all i can say is call the DEA up and tell them you are going to start farming marijuana and they have jurisdiction over you. when you hang up, call the BATF and tell them you are going to modify any weapon you want to to fully auto and the have jurisdiction over you either. when they show up, you explain to them, that they can't arrest you, as it's unconstitutionable. when you get your one phone call, tell us how it worked out!
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all i can say is call the DEA up and tell them you are going to start farming marijuana and they have jurisdiction over you. when you hang up, call the BATF and tell them you are going to modify any weapon you want to to fully auto and the have jurisdiction over you either. when they show up, you explain to them, that they can't arrest you, as it's unconstitutionable. when you get your one phone call, tell us how it worked out!
Yeah, whatever. As long as folks blindly tolerate illegal laws, we will continue to have illegal laws. There are ways to work to get those laws nullified if enough folks are willing to read, learn, and work toward that goal.
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Yeah, whatever. As long as folks blindly tolerate illegal laws, we will continue to have illegal laws. There are ways to work to get those laws nullified if enough folks are willing to read, learn, and work toward that goal.
BKT, it's not that i don't agree with you, but until they are nullified, it is still illegal to break them. i think they should legalize marijuana, because i don't see any difference between it or alcohol, but alcohol is legal. and just because they legalize marijuana, i'm not going to start smoking it. i very seldom ever drink alcohol. like i'm saying, for the most part i do agree with you, but even if a law is illegal, they will still punish you if you break that law.
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