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Old 03-11-2012, 04:07 AM   #31
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Believe it or not two conservatives that have made millions toting them, are in fact anti-gun! Any guesses? Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone! Ahnald used to be pro 2nd until getting into politics which is when he did an about face. Stallone has been since the 90's. Funny thing is Rambo wants us disarmed by going door to door because we aren't capable of making the right decision should we need to defend ourselves! Guess what he has had a ccw permit since approx 2004 you know because he's special and deserves this right Fn Hippocrate. Unless something has changed since then, if any one knows different please let me know!
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Let me give you a new and different perspective on how to deal with these 'anti-gunners'.

As some of you may know, I spent most of my life being an 'anti-gunner'. I was afraid of guns and I thought they caused a lot of harm. About 3 years ago, I met someone who had a whole safe full of guns and guns throughout his house. I thought he was a nut and possibly a dangerous person. We met online and we talked on the phone for about a year before I flew out to meet him..........after paying for a background check. In the course of that year we discussed guns pretty regularly. He told me my car was more dangerous than a gun..........was I afraid of my car? Was I afraid to have large kitchen knives, etc. I slowly began to understand and when I went to Cali to meet him we went to a range and I was absolutely hooked. Shortly after returning home, I bought my GP100.

I am begging you all to not ridicule and belittle. Advocate your passion for guns with intelligent, kind, compassionate and understanding conversation. Use facts and comparisons to show the 'anti-gunner' that guns are not evil. I, as a past 'anti-gunner' just didn't know any better. I did not come from a family of hunters and my Dad did have a gun but it was never really talked about. In fact, I didn't know he had one until I was well into my teens.

If you are trying to convince someone that guns are not evil and you do it in a belittling way and acting like a jerk, you are only pushing that person further away from truly understanding guns. Nothing like owning something someone is afraid of and you come on condescending and know it all.........well, that only reinforces in the 'anti-gunners' head that guns just might be evil and people who own them are rude and arrogant.

I was fortunate to have met someone who spent a lot of time to patiently and logically talk about guns with me. With knowledge came understanding. With understanding came appreciation and the desire to get involved with guns. If he had come on overbearing or ridiculing how 'stupid I was' I would have been pushed further away.

When I talk to anyone about guns, I tell them how much I enjoy competing against myself for a great grouping at the center of the target. How it is a fun sport that I enjoy challenging myself. I try to compare it to golf. Golfers like to see how they can improve and get a lower score each time they go to the golf course. That's how I am about shooting. If you can compare it to something 'non-scary' like golf, you might get a message across. I offer to show a gun to someone who might not have really seen or held a gun. Some are interested and some absolutely refuse. Either way is okay with me. If I show a gun I show them how I check that it is empty before I hand it to them.

This is my take on it. Through kindness, compassion, understanding and considerate education, we can turn more people over to our way of thinking than ridiculing and belittling.

Come on, guys. Jump on my bandwagon. Educate those 'anti-gunners' so they will know better and understand...........just like I was.

Now, I'm off to find that next gun I've been thinking of buying...........
I think you make a great point and I definitely would encourage everyone to try to teach the less educated about the subject.
The only problem with this approach is that I've run into some anti-gunners who are NOT willing to here any opinion that isn't theres. They'll say "guns are bad they kill people and cause our nations crime" and thats the end of the story! I've seen them just turn a deaf ear to anything you say and refuse to entertain what you're telling them.
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We really need to tap our own resources, and get the 45% of the

American populace which owns guns; 140 MILLION people, politically

active. Then anti gunners will have a much smaller political voice.


We need to police our own ranks; when some yahoo hands a noob

a high powered gun which knocks them down when they pull the trigger,

just for one cheap laugh, that yahoo just created a lifetime anti-gunner.



WOC is also correct, I find many people are turned around when they

try a 22LR amongst friends, and find it's enjoyable, safe, and empowering.
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There is another argument used by the fearful anti's and that is the (god help me, I will be pummeled for this) fact that no training is needed to own a gun.
Actually, it depends on your state. Here in MA, you have to have a permit to own (which is also a concealed carry permit) and one of the requirements to get this permit is that you need to take a basic firearms safety course. Connecticut and Maine also requires a safety course.

Granted, these are just 3 states, but I'm sure there are more.
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If you want to make a difference save the young. Many people have been taught this fear in schools by left wing union teachers. I became an NRA Inst. as well as State Certified Hunter Safety Inst. Over the decades I have helped many kids grow into adult gun owners.
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Just another strange way of looking at things ... Every anti that gets converted counts for 2, -1 for the antis and +1 for us.

When we run into one of the highly opinionated, unwilling to listen, anti-gunners, we need to remain polite, quiet and reasonable. Getting in that guys face does no good in persuading him, but it has a good chance of alienating some bystander that sees the exchange. The better outcome is for the bystander to walk away with the impression that the gun guy was reasonable and the other guy wasn't.
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I think you make a great point and I definitely would encourage everyone to try to teach the less educated about the subject.
The only problem with this approach is that I've run into some anti-gunners who are NOT willing to here any opinion that isn't theres. They'll say "guns are bad they kill people and cause our nations crime" and thats the end of the story! I've seen them just turn a deaf ear to anything you say and refuse to entertain what you're telling them.
Well, you can't do anything about them and I don't waste my time trying to convince someone who isn't going to consider both sides of discussion. If they disagree and come back with some info I can discuss with them, then I do. If they insist they are right no matter what, I just change the subject. Why drive yourself nuts? When they are ready to listen, they will.

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If you want to make a difference save the young. Many people have been taught this fear in schools by left wing union teachers. I became an NRA Inst. as well as State Certified Hunter Safety Inst. Over the decades I have helped many kids grow into adult gun owners.
Durangokid, let me admit I was the one teaching my children fear of guns. I didn't know any better and I have since been educated. Now I ask my kids to join me at the range. I wasn't really 'left wing', I just had never been exposed to guns and all I knew was what I heard on the news.
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If you want to make a difference save the young. Many people have been taught this fear in schools by left wing union teachers. I became an NRA Inst. as well as State Certified Hunter Safety Inst. Over the decades I have helped many kids grow into adult gun owners.
That's what scares me about the public schools. It's not just the gun issue either, they are trying to turn the kids into socialist globalists. I am thankful I was taught at a young age so I could see the lies when they were told. My wife wouldn't let me have my guns in the house for the first few years of our relationship, but after shooting my. 22 a few times she now approves! She now wants a .380 I'm thinking Bersa Thunder, but Gander Mountain wants $500 for it, wtf? From my understanding it should only be $250-$300! Anyway back on topic starting young with proper training definitely goes a long way!!!!
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It used to be that kids went to a school in their neighborhoods, and most of us walked to school and to home. It gave us a chance every day to communicate with our friends and in the process learn from them about their families and their values. Now, they are stuck on a bus, ordered to keep their mouths shut, and don't have any opportunity to learn anything except the bull**** coming out of their teachers' mouths. I learned about guns from some of my school friends. We even went to an outdoor range and did some shooting when my friends' dads would take us. Now, kids are isolated and are not allowed to communicate with each other. This can't be a coincidence. It can't be an innocent accidental consequence of forced busing. It promotes control over the thoughts and attitudes of the kids, who grow up to "believe" in Big Brother.
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It used to be that kids went to a school in their neighborhoods, and most of us walked to school and to home. It gave us a chance every day to communicate with our friends and in the process learn from them about their families and their values. Now, they are stuck on a bus, ordered to keep their mouths shut, and don't have any opportunity to learn anything except the bull**** coming out of their teachers' mouths. I learned about guns from some of my school friends. We even went to an outdoor range and did some shooting when my friends' dads would take us. Now, kids are isolated and are not allowed to communicate with each other. This can't be a coincidence. It can't be an innocent accidental consequence of forced busing. It promotes control over the thoughts and attitudes of the kids, who grow up to "believe" in Big Brother.
Exactly! I was just thinking the other day about a birthday party when I was 8 or 9 they took us to an archery range! I mean how cool is that? Probably couldn't get away with it anymore.
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