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Old 06-20-2012, 03:09 PM   #21
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EVERY accident can be avoided.
This accident yes, every accident no way. Have you ever been in a traffic accident that was not your fault? Ever been to a ball game and get hit by a foul ball? Ever spill a glass of milk? Yes things happen, this is just worst type of accident/negligence one can experience IMHO.

This family needs a lot of prayers for the days to come.
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This accident yes, every accident no way. Have you ever been in a traffic accident that was not your fault? Ever been to a ball game and get hit by a foul ball? Ever spill a glass of milk? Yes things happen, this is just worst type of accident/negligence one can experience IMHO.

This family needs a lot of prayers for the days to come.
I think he is talking about firearm accidents! The guy did a stupid thing and he is paying for it in the worst way. Prayers aren't going to help this!!
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This is terrible, just makes me mad/sad at the same time. Just terrible....

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Old 06-20-2012, 08:25 PM   #24
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With 20/20 hindsight. Never had an accident in your life? Really? Not trying to be a smart*ss but "you know what" does happen and it isn't always us who cause it. You can mostly control your own life but outside entities can always get you when you least expect it. Just take a look at what resides in the White House for a perfect example.
Think about it. I'm not I have never had an accident in my life. I have had plenty. But yes, every mistake I have made COULD have been avoided. Not saying that one individual can avoid every accident because of the outside variables like you mentioned. Say you've been in a car accident that's not your fault. It could have been avoided if the driver at fault wouldn't have made whatever mistake they did. But you didn't have any control over them. The mess in the White House could have been avoided if more people weren't such dumba***s and if more than 37% of voting age Americans actually voted.

Not saying every accident will be avoided. Just that they technically can. But they never will. Because we are all human, and we all have, can and will make mistakes.
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This accident yes, every accident no way. Have you ever been in a traffic accident that was not your fault? Ever been to a ball game and get hit by a foul ball? Ever spill a glass of milk? Yes things happen, this is just worst type of accident/negligence one can experience IMHO.

This family needs a lot of prayers for the days to come.
Every gun accident...yes. Thats not to say they will be, but they could be.

Even a car accident which is not your fault involves neglegence by the other person (failed to yield, didnt stop at the sign, didnt look before lane change, etc.).

Saying accident implies it was not intentional and by that deffenition I am fine, but negligence compels one to accept why what happened happened.

Hope that makes sense lol.
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personally I think gun safety should be taught in school and a lot of these accidents could be avoided. MY dad did not teach me gun safety when i was a young kid but thank god my grandfather was a safety instructer cause he taught me the basics of gun safety at a young age. I think he just wanted me to clean all his guns all the time

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This accident yes, every accident no way. Have you ever been in a traffic accident that was not your fault? Ever been to a ball game and get hit by a foul ball? Ever spill a glass of milk? Yes things happen, this is just worst type of accident/negligence one can experience IMHO.

This family needs a lot of prayers for the days to come.
An accident is when 1 or more people are not paying 100% attention to what you are doing. Spilt milk is cause you werent paying 100% attention the whole time. Car accidents take at least 2 drivers not paying 100% attention. Even if your paying 99%, its not enough.
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A similar thing happened where I live last year.

A college kid, who had been drinking beer all day, was showing off his new light on his AR to his girlfriend. He had the damn thing pointed at her chest, his finger on the trigger, it was cocked, chambered, and it did go off. Her twin sister was also in the room to watch sis die. That was not an accident.

He was convicted of manslaughter and is going to prison. That is the way it should be. If you can't respect firearms, then you shouldn't own them or handle them. If your stupidity causes someone to lose their life, you should forfeit your life.

I do not believe in accidental discharges.

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A similar thing happened where I live last year.

A college kid, who had been drinking beer all day, was showing off his new light on his AR to his girlfriend. He had the damn thing pointed at her chest, his finger on the trigger, it was cocked, chambered, and it did go off. Her twin sister was also in the room to watch sis die. That was not an accident.

He was convicted of manslaughter and is going to prison. That is the way it should be. If you can't respect firearms, then you shouldn't own them or handle them. If your stupidity causes someone to lose their life, you should forfeit your life.

I do not believe in accidental discharges.
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Yea...our justice system isnt jacked up. The reason the college kid when bye bye is because he was drinking. It changes the scenario completely and indeed I would say he should have been found guilty...
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They say "Hindsight has 20/20 vision."


I daresay you, sir, have had an accident, or two, in your life.

One can only thank heaven it was not so disastrous and life-changing

as this one...
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