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Old 01-04-2014, 10:53 PM   #11
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Ever consider that with obamacare the need to report sort of goes away when it comes to seeing a counselor or a shrink???

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You keep swinging a hammer at a bolder you get little chunks of rock you do it long enough and the bolder will be turned to gravel.

I dont trust the government to a clear and reasonable decision here. Why? Our government is not reasonable matter facts there a bunch of ritch idots that think there god gift to the world.

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I believe liberalism could be considered a mental disorder and therefore, as far as I'm concerned this could be a good thing: "One proposed rule change aims to clarify terminology used by federal law to prohibit people from purchasing a firearm for mental health reasons."

http://www.gopusa.com/news/2014/01/04/gun-control-obama-admin-announces-executive-actions/?subscriber=1

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You keep swinging a hammer at a bolder you get little chunks of rock you do it long enough and the bolder will be turned to gravel.

I dont trust the government to a clear and reasonable decision here. Why? Our government is not reasonable matter facts there a bunch of ritch idots that think there god gift to the world.
It is not one single issue that is all so bad but the pile of gravel as an end result. If they can pass enough little chips here and there for what ever reason, soon we don't have a second Amendment at all just a lot of little laws making us all criminals
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It is not one single issue that is all so bad but the pile of gravel as an end result. If they can pass enough little chips here and there for what ever reason, soon we don't have a second Amendment at all just a lot of little laws making us all criminals
Absolutely true. The recently passed anti-gun laws (little chips) will be cited as the basis for more restrictive legislation in Blue and Red states.
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How will user of Marijuana in Colorado pass a BG check? Federal Law prohibits users of controlled substances to purchase firearms. Will gun purchasers now have to have a drug test? All of these issues will be inclusive in mental health surveys of gun buyers.

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How will user of Marijuana in Colorado pass a BG check? Federal Law prohibits users of controlled substances to purchase firearms. Will gun purchasers now have to have a drug test? All of these issues will be inclusive in mental health surveys of gun buyers.
another point, what about companies that do drug tests as part of pre-employment and that do random drug tests as part of continued employment?
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I am all for keeping firearms away from dangerous people. That said, little caveats to our freedoms such as this give too much power to bureaucrats at the state and federal levels.

Does alcoholism make you mentally ill? What if you were severely depressed at one point, but things turned around for you? Or, what about someone who has dealt with anger management issues? Just curious if folks like this get treated the same as the guy that says he constantly fantasizes about shooting everyone in Congress, if he could only find a way to do it.......
It might become the new "catch-all" for LAC. If you rebut any issues they surface you must be mentally ill and they then have reason to put you on the exempt list of owning firearms.
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Folks here is the latest from the examiner with embedded video. It has a little more information.

More at the link.

http://www.examiner.com/article/eric-holder-to-revise-firearms-purchase-regulations-2014

Attorney General Eric Holder and the U.S. Justice Department on Friday quietly proposed a regulation that will clarify what mental health reasons can be employed under federal law to prohibit citizens from receiving, possessing, shipping or transporting firearms.

According to officials at the Justice Department, this clarification will direct U.S. states and territories in determining what information they should share with the federal background check system known as the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS).

The stated goal is to keep guns out of the hands of individuals who may be a danger to themselves or others. However, the regulation’s language, as with many of the regulations and laws coming out of the Obama Administration, leaves room for interpretation.

“We are taking an important, commonsense step to clarify the federal firearms regulations, which will strengthen our ability to keep dangerous weapons out of the wrong hands,” said the controversial – some say ultra-political -- Attorney General Holder.

“This step will provide clear guidance on who is prohibited from possessing firearms under federal law for reasons related to mental health, enabling America’s brave law enforcement and public safety officials to better protect the American people and ensure the safety of our homes and communities. And it is emblematic of the Justice Department’s broader commitment to use every tool and resource at its disposal to combat gun violence and prevent future tragedies while respecting the Constitutional rights to which all Americans are entitled,” Holder announced on Friday.

The revised definition clarifies that the statutory terms “adjudicated as a mental defective” and “committed to a mental institution” include persons who are found incompetent to stand trial or not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect; persons lacking mental responsibility or deemed insane; and persons found guilty but mentally ill, regardless of whether these determinations are made by a state, local, federal or military court. The proposed regulation also clarifies that the statutory term includes a person committed to involuntary inpatient or outpatient treatment.

While the regulation on the surface may sound reasonable, it does leave former military personnel returning from the battlefield who are diagnosed with Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) and are psychiatrically treated for PTSD, very likely in the lurch when it comes to purchasing firearms for protection or sport,” said former Marine and police detective Sidney Franes.

“It may also be used to deny retired law-enforcement, security and intelligence officials access to firearms if at any time they underwent rehabilitation for alcoholism or substance abuse,” Franes added.

The Justice Department places the NICS background check system in high regard calling it a “critical tool in keeping guns out of the hands of those who cannot legally have one.”

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Folks here is the latest from the examiner with embedded video. It has a little more information.

More at the link.

http://www.examiner.com/article/eric-holder-to-revise-firearms-purchase-regulations-2014

Attorney General Eric Holder and the U.S. Justice Department on Friday quietly proposed a regulation that will clarify what mental health reasons can be employed under federal law to prohibit citizens from receiving, possessing, shipping or transporting firearms.

According to officials at the Justice Department, this clarification will direct U.S. states and territories in determining what information they should share with the federal background check system known as the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS).

The stated goal is to keep guns out of the hands of individuals who may be a danger to themselves or others. However, the regulation’s language, as with many of the regulations and laws coming out of the Obama Administration, leaves room for interpretation.

“We are taking an important, commonsense step to clarify the federal firearms regulations, which will strengthen our ability to keep dangerous weapons out of the wrong hands,” said the controversial – some say ultra-political -- Attorney General Holder.

“This step will provide clear guidance on who is prohibited from possessing firearms under federal law for reasons related to mental health, enabling America’s brave law enforcement and public safety officials to better protect the American people and ensure the safety of our homes and communities. And it is emblematic of the Justice Department’s broader commitment to use every tool and resource at its disposal to combat gun violence and prevent future tragedies while respecting the Constitutional rights to which all Americans are entitled,” Holder announced on Friday.

The revised definition clarifies that the statutory terms “adjudicated as a mental defective” and “committed to a mental institution” include persons who are found incompetent to stand trial or not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect; persons lacking mental responsibility or deemed insane; and persons found guilty but mentally ill, regardless of whether these determinations are made by a state, local, federal or military court. The proposed regulation also clarifies that the statutory term includes a person committed to involuntary inpatient or outpatient treatment.

While the regulation on the surface may sound reasonable, it does leave former military personnel returning from the battlefield who are diagnosed with Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) and are psychiatrically treated for PTSD, very likely in the lurch when it comes to purchasing firearms for protection or sport,” said former Marine and police detective Sidney Franes.

“It may also be used to deny retired law-enforcement, security and intelligence officials access to firearms if at any time they underwent rehabilitation for alcoholism or substance abuse,” Franes added.

The Justice Department places the NICS background check system in high regard calling it a “critical tool in keeping guns out of the hands of those who cannot legally have one.”
Holder is an idiot. he said as much as he didn't have any knowledge of the Fast and Furious fiasco until it was called to attention to the American people. hmmmm.........he is suppose to be the leading law enforcement official in our country and he didn't even know what was going on right under his own nose? which means he's either a liar or incompentent. neither which amke him qualified to be making decisions for others or making making policies regarding who can or can't own a gun.
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