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Old 01-23-2013, 08:56 PM   #11
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I did the windshield test for my department using an older 20 inch M16 and M193 ball. This was before M855 was available.

I was out of the military before the M16 was ever issued so have no personal experience there.

I would be very interested in actual PM results from the ME in this case. While I might well believe that 5.56 rounds did not penetrate, I am fairly certain that .40 and 9MM would ALL completely penetrate small bodies.

I will reserve judgement until we find out what kind of .223 ammo was used, if indeed a .223 was used at all.

I guess I assumed he was using M193 ball, and you probably assumed he was using M855.

We may both be mistaken.

BTW, that round you were looking for in .233 exists. It's the Hornady 55 grain TAP.
thanks for the tip...TAP was not out when I did my test but I think I'll stick with my Sig 226 .40 and my Rem 870 w/00 Buck and save the AR for a situation where I may need to get "surgical".
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thanks for the tip...TAP was not out when I did my test but I think I'll stick with my Sig 226 .40 and my Rem 870 w/00 Buck and save the AR for a situation where I may need to get "surgical".
Test the TAP if ya get a chance. Betcha it will penetrate less than 00 buck!
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Go check out the penetration tests provided at the Boxotruth.com.

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Can anyone provide backup for their claims on penetration/lack thereof? I see lot's of claims made on pages but unless there is some sort of "real" test with controls and equipment like the guys over at luckygunner.com provide on a pretty regular basis I am going to call BS on the underpenetration. Every law enforcement agency I have talked to or been a part of has had concerns about overpenetration and this was NEVER addressed.

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M-193 penetrates TWELVE Pine Boards from a 16" AR!

I'd call that pretty good penetration...

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I think bears would make excellent test targets for the overpenetration test, but we would need to test on all of the various species of bears available: polar bear test, brown bear test, kodiak brown bear test, common black bear test, not to even mention the bears of other countries (yes, Pandas of course).

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Typical FTF conversation:

OP... "There was a misleading news report from the MSM."

"Conspiracy, conspiracy!!"

Followed by detailed charts and debate of terminal ballistics.

Ended by. "We should somehow turn this thread into a way to murder bears."

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Typical FTF conversation:

OP... "There was a misleading news report from the MSM."

"Conspiracy, conspiracy!!"

Followed by detailed charts and debate of terminal ballistics.

Ended by. "We should somehow turn this thread into a way to murder bears."
It's good to end on a happy note.
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It sure looks like they ejected a shotgun shell out of that gun in the trunk

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I think bears would make excellent test targets for the overpenetration test, but we would need to test on all of the various species of bears available: polar bear test, brown bear test, kodiak brown bear test, common black bear test, not to even mention the bears of other countries (yes, Pandas of course).
How dare you!
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