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Old 03-16-2014, 09:37 PM   #31
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This is why you should only pay cash for something like that band never have it shaped to your home

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Well, ideally, yeah. But how many of us can run out to the LGS and buy a 80% lower? I have never seen one, it seems to be largely an internet thing.

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Well, ideally, yeah. But how many of us can run out to the LGS and buy a 80% lower? I have never seen one, it seems to be largely an internet thing.
I have seen them at gun shows and in gun stores. not an everyday item mind you, but apparently with Ares they are.
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Some companies advertise "95 percent" lowers.

i can't understand the concept of paying a very high price for a piece of aluminum that requires a lot of drilling and/or machining. You can spend $20-40 more and get a high quality finished lower receiver.

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Some companies advertise "95 percent" lowers.

i can't understand the concept of paying a very high price for a piece of aluminum that requires a lot of drilling and/or machining. You can spend $20-40 more and get a high quality finished lower receiver.
Never seen a 95% lower advertised or on sale anywhere. can you provide a link?

On second thought I don't think so. Never mind.

As to why? Well, I want to. I like the idea of having a non-serialized gun that I have built myself (more or less). It may not be entirely home-built but it is better than nothing.
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Never seen a 95% lower advertised or on sale anywhere. can you provide a link?
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http://www.americanspiritarms.com/lower-receivers/asa-m4-ar-15-95-percent-lower-receiver/

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On second thought I don't think so. Never mind.
Too late.

Ares did a grave disservice to their customers. Ares advertised and sold those polymer lowers knowing full well the BATFE had heartburn with them. Now every person who bought a polymer lower from Ares is in violation of federal law.

There is a lesson here: Get the "80 percent" lower blessed by the BATFE before selling the things.
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http://www.americanspiritarms.com/lower-receivers/asa-m4-ar-15-95-percent-lower-receiver/



Too late.

Ares did a grave disservice to their customers. Ares advertised and sold those polymer lowers knowing full well the BATFE had heartburn with them. Now every person who bought a polymer lower from Ares is in violation of federal law.

There is a lesson here: Get the "80 percent" lower blessed by the BATFE before selling the things.
Regardless of whether the BATFE has heartburn over them the fact remains that they are not functional firearms by anyone's definition and more importantly the definition has never been made. A lower receiver is not a functioning firearm. That is what really gives the Feds heartburn if you ask me. It is like saying that you can register a car using a license plate and an engine block.
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For the most recent information on the Ares story, go here. Watch that blog for information from sources inside the investigation. Information will be coming fast & furious over the next few days. If you read that link you will better understand what will follow shortly once it's published. There's a full-court press to make Ares the next ATF scapegoat, not because they've done anything illegal, but because they've made political enemies, one being one of their gun-grabbing Senators in CA, Diane Feinstein. If she, Obama and the ATF get what they want, 80% lowers will be a thing of the past, all because Ares got too creative and came up with a way to color-code their plastic molds to make it easy and inexpensive to Dremel out the lowers to completion instead of having to do milling or send it out to a machine shop.

Read the link and then watch the blog, and you'll understand what I'm saying. Just clicking on this link will give you a hint as to one reason Feinstein is pissed at 'em: SenatorFeinstein.com LOL

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if the BATF has no clear definitions of what comprises an 80% lower, then this is their fault in leaving it so ambigious as to leave it wide open for interpretation by the manufacterers. again this is a failing on their part for not making it clear.

their tactics and approach are a bit heavy handed and stinks of political underhandedness. and those politicians should be ashamed of themselves for using the BATF as their hired guns. because if nyone is found to be in violation on the governments behalf in this, it will fall into the BATF camp, not the politicians who used them as their hired guns.

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I think Ares should get the ACLU involved, if not for the Second Amendment violations that have taken place but the First and Fourth. The ACLU is damned proficient at defending all cases that are not singularly built around the individual right to bear arms.

Hey, it could just work.

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