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Old 02-07-2012, 12:11 PM   #51
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I read the Wikipedia article about it, and the bill apparently contains wording that is open to interpretation however it may be convenient at any time. It does show, surprisingly, that the White House has stated that it will not result in American citizens being shipped to Guantanimo. The main trouble with it is the latitude for a variety of possible interpretations in the future as may be convenient for an opportunistic administration.
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I read the Wikipedia article about it, and the bill apparently contains wording that is open to interpretation however it may be convenient at any time. It does show, surprisingly, that the White House has stated that it will not result in American citizens being shipped to Guantanimo. The main trouble with it is the latitude for a variety of possible interpretations in the future as may be convenient for an opportunistic administration.
Signing statements are meaninless, pay attention to what is written, because that's the law... and through a couple strokes of pen, you could be declared an enemy combatant and shipped off to never be seen again.
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Signing statements are meaninless, pay attention to what is written, because that's the law... and through a couple strokes of pen, you could be declared an enemy combatant and shipped off to never be seen again.
Actually, the signed bill specifically excludes American citizens.
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The most disturbing clause was the executive branch being able to say who is a terrorist. I am because they say so? Well, like the 500 pound canary said:" Here kitty, kitty! " I refuse to live on my knees. oscar oscar romeo alpha helo

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Actually, the signed bill specifically excludes American citizens.
That is utter BS, the signed bill does not exclude citizens and I know a few people in the military and they understand the bill just like I do. Go read oathkeepers.

And if what you're saying was true, are you basically saying "as long as it's not me getting arrested and deported, it's all good". While I don't believe tourists should be able to carry weapons in our country, they should be legally protected just like us and subject to a trial and not automatically sent to guitmo.
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http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h112-1540

Section 1021 paragraph e specifically exempts American citizens. I'm all ready to jump on the rebel against corruption bandwagon with you, but if you don't do your homework you just sound crazy, and that's counterproductive. I believe in due process for everyone and you are right, once we determine someone has done something terrorist like we should do something with them rather than detain them forever. As far as detaining American citizens though, you are wrong, this bill specifically exempts them.
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Also, there are specific acts laid out that earn a trip to guitmo, not just being a tourist with a gun. It's in the same area which is where all the detainment stuff is. Like I said this bill is signed every year. Where was the uproar last year?

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Nypd gives the tsa a run for their money for hands on approach.

http://personalliberty.com/2012/02/20/new-york-police-stop-and-frisk-record-numbers/?eiid=

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Nypd gives the tsa a run for their money for hands on approach.

http://personalliberty.com/2012/02/20/new-york-police-stop-and-frisk-record-numbers/?eiid=
I wonder what the attributing factors were to the 50% reduction in murder and how that compares countrywide. Surely frisking people a lot didn't cut murder in half.
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