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Old 12-03-2013, 01:12 AM   #21
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but they also expended the same amount of effort on all rifles they use for a sniper platform. even the bolt action sniper rifles get a lot of work and attention.

but i agree, that now they can put together an AR rifle that's either just as accurate or more accurate, much easier than what they have to do to an M14 to gain the same amount of accuracy.

but i still think most M1A's are still more accurate than most people can shoot. but in all honesty, IMO that really applies to most rifles in general.
The problem is the bedding needs to be redone frequently as does scope mount and scope readjustment from loss of zero, where bolt guns were lower maintenance. The biggest weakness of the M14/M1a as a prescision platform is the open action and clamp-in action to stock interface, combined with the wood stock. It gives too much flex, and variation with temp changes and humidity changes.

Newer fielded versions employed as designated marksman rifles and sniper rifles use entirely new stock or chassis systems to overcome these problems, and reduce the frequency of that maintenance. The problem is that these chassis cost almost as much as the rifle or more. So for the average person, they drop between $1200-$2000 on a rifle then have to buy a chasis for close to or over a grand in addition. Then add an optic. For $2200-$3000 one could have a heck of a .308 AR and optic.
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I prefer the .30-06 myself... Especially in a bolt action firearm.

In military loadings the performance of the .30-06 and the 7.62X51 are very similiar. The advantage to the .30-06 is, is that it can be safely loaded higher, with greater capabilities.

The .30-06, when loaded properly is a true 1000 yard cartridge, while the 7.62X51 is more of a 800 yard cartridge. With that being said, how many shooters are going to do much shooting at 800 and 1000 yards? Not very many. But, they like to talk about it.

Although in a Semi-Auto firearm, a shooter should stay close to the military loadings, to reduce wear and tear on their firearm.

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I have a 30-06 for deer hunting and my LGS has plenty WW2 era 30-06 bolt actions but my problem is recoil. I cant go out and throw enough rounds down range to have a whole lot of fun with it. After a box of shells I am pretty much spent and that is barely enough for me to get a 0 and then a few groups. Any other reccomendations? I like the historic aspect of the M1A too. Just kind of want to get a feel for whats out there.
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Newer fielded versions employed as designated marksman rifles and sniper rifles use entirely new stock or chassis systems to overcome these problems, and reduce the frequency of that maintenance. The problem is that these chassis cost almost as much as the rifle or more. So for the average person, they drop between $1200-$2000 on a rifle then have to buy a chasis for close to or over a grand in addition. Then add an optic. For $2200-$3000 one could have a heck of a .308 AR and optic.
probably all true......BUT....sometimes people must be reminded that there are those who simply do not like/prefer the AR platform.

if I had the $$$$ (I don't)....I would spend the extra money to upgrade the M1A.....I really like the looks and function of that gun and although I like the AR platform.....personally I prefer the mini 14, M1A in looks and handling.
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probably all true......BUT....sometimes people must be reminded that there are those who simply do not like/prefer the AR platform.

if I had the $$$$ (I don't)....I would spend the extra money to upgrade the M1A.....I really like the looks and function of that gun and although I like the AR platform.....personally I prefer the mini 14, M1A in looks and handling.
Perfectly understandable and fine reasoning. I just want to ensure folks aren't misunderstanding what they are getting into when they pursue the M1A as a precision platform when it comes to the technical and financial investment/challenges.

Some folks see a military M14 with a scope and assume it is easy and cheap to make it shoot as precisely as a bolt gun. Some folks get frustrated. Other folks see military versions in a Sage or Troy chasis with no idea that the cost of upgrades in stock, optics, and optic mounting systems will cost another $1500-$2000.
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