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Brother_COM 06-26-2011 06:36 PM

Just how accurate?
Guys, I am wanting to do a little mini shooting comparison here, and need your help! I'd like you all to be as honest as you possibly can. (No fish stories plz,) I'm looking for raw (real) data here.

Please let me know your BEST shooting day with your mini:

i.e.: I can CONSISTENTLY shoot 2MOA @ 200yds with Brown Bear ammo and 3-9x30 scope. 1979 mini with Accu-Strut and muzzle brake....

Basically, I want to realistically know what my mini is capable of shooting.

BTW I have a 2010 mini with 18" blued barrel and an Accu-Strut, and have done NO MODS yet. I can CONSISTENTLY shoot 1"-1.5" @ 82ft (25 meters) with stock open sights. I'm practicing for Appleseed Project Shoots.

Thanks guys! I'm looking forward to tabulating these stats.

Jpyle 06-26-2011 06:52 PM

Minute of Angle (MOA) technically is a measurement of the change in a bullets path due to gravity and friction (Point of Aim vs Point of Impact). A circle has 360 degrees with each degree having 60 minutes, so the term minute of angle is describing the position of the bullet on an arc. In simpler terms 1 MOA is appox 1" at 100 yds, .5 inches at 50 yds and 2" at 200 yds. If that is what you are seeing then your rifle is shooting at 1 MOA...sub MOA performance requires a rifle built for it (sorry not the Mini-14), ammo loaded for it and a shooter capable of it. Many rifles are more accurate than the shooter...that's why we practice. :)

hawkguy 06-26-2011 06:53 PM

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well, accuarcy with any firearm is dependant on MANY things. and the internet is FULL of "fish" stories when it comes to shooting MOA. many mini owners claim MOA when ONE moa target is all they have ever shot out of 50 tries. i think AR owners do basically the same thing, although AR's are generally closer to MOA guns. MOA should be about what you & your riflle can do consistantly. shootin MOA (skillwise) is pretty hard, even with a very accurate gun.

also, MOA is NOT 1" at any distance. its slightly more than an inch @ 100 yards, 2" at 200 yards, etc. shooting ONE or TWO sub or MOA groups doesn't claim a rifle (or shooter) MOA imo.

ok...the mini. expect a new mini to be about 2"-4" gun out of the box. some minor tweaking, mods and good ammo and 2" groups is about the best a mini can get at 100 yards (a target model will do better). an AR can normally do a bit better better with groups from 1-1.5". some expensive AR's can shoot sub MOA, but i think like mini owners, AR owners generally exaggerate sub moa.

here is my real mini target at 100 yards. i hit 15 of 20 in a 2" sticker. i actually hit 16, 15, and 14 out of 20 in three tries. i feel like i can claim a 2 MOA mini or very close because of the consistancy. this is not one 3 round group. i'm not expert, this is just mo. but i think MOA is claimed far too often from many platforms based on a couple of good groups, not consistancy.

my mini is a 580 ranch rifle. accu-strut & re-torque gas block. not too far from stock.

Brother_COM 06-27-2011 02:31 AM

200 yrds???
what can you hit @ 200?

Keep the comments comin!;)


Jeff_F 06-27-2011 03:07 AM

I have killed a few coyotes at about 200 yards, cold bore shot improvised rest. A bunch more closer in.

masterPsmith 06-27-2011 05:27 PM

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Well, I don't shoot mine with optics, but here are 5 consecutive targets shot within 1/2 hour at 100 yards without optics. All targets are 5 rounds off the bench using the bi-pod.


masterPsmith 06-27-2011 05:30 PM

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This is the Mini used for the above posted targets.


masterPsmith 06-27-2011 05:36 PM

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This one is a Mini that I accurized for a friend of mine on the San Diego Sheriff's Dept. a while back. This 3 round target was shot at 50 yards off the bench using factory iron sights after initial sight in....


hawkguy 06-27-2011 06:44 PM


Originally Posted by masterPsmith (Post 530182)
Well, I don't shoot mine with optics, but here are 5 consecutive targets shot within 1/2 hour at 100 yards without optics. All targets are 5 rounds off the bench using the bi-pod.


amazing shooting, sir. open sights? WOW!

sent you a pm & a challenge....i hope you take me up on it. :)

Brother_COM 06-28-2011 12:31 AM

I'm with hawkguy! Them some G-R-E-A-T groups! I don't use optics either.
That one pic of the mini with the wooden topper, isn't that the "old" "extremely inaccurate" rifle??? :-D

Man, this is gonna be FUN! I can't wait to get this thing going.

Hey, I see many guys offer "trigger jobs" I've seen a few videos showing what to hone and polish. I did a superb jon on my 10/22 triggers and am always up to a good challenge! I think i may try the trigger mod, get a better rear sight (like you have pictures. Is it a Williams???) and hit the range.

Once againThanks for the GREAT pics and advice.


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