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Old 11-24-2013, 10:11 AM   #1
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What is satisfactory groupings for Conceal weapons(small hand guns) from 20 feet! I've heard, if you can cover 10 out of 10 rounds fired with your hand that's pretty ok!

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Old 11-24-2013, 10:47 AM   #2
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I would say that is satisfactory

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That's a good group, but is it desirable in a self defense situation? It depends more on where the group is. The more organs you hit, the more body systems you hit, the faster the threat will end. Multi-system trauma is desirable. Pinpoint accuracy and half dollar sized groupings are not. I would say that if your hand size group is in an area with multiple vital organs, you're good to go. You don't want it any tighter.

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Run flat out for a hundred yards to stress yourself a bit, draw and
keep them all on a 9" paper plate rapid fire. Still not a true test
of your ability in a confrontation---but better than standing
and shooting groups.

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The 7 yard range is the SD distance practice range.

The real problem here is most ranges won't let you

practice SD draws, or single-handed, and weak hand drawing

and shooting.

Oh sure, you can hit the target dead-on using

both hands...

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Using center mass(heart) as the target! Anything within the radius of your hand should have the potential to be Lethal or at the very least very capable of stopping a threat. I practice from the draw every time I go to the range! But running the 100 yards would likely kill me and void any self Defense Skills that I might have obtained-

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A little OT, but I would think most ranges would let you acquire and shoot from the low ready, or at the point of your draw where your support hand is on the gun.

COM is not always the center of the chest. COM is the center of the target that is exposed. An instructor I know suggests cutting a standard B-27 in half vertically. Now you have a target partially behind cover, so COM changes.

I have gotten some funny looks at the range, but hey, it is 2 for 1 targets.

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Exactly, the target is whatever your aiming at. I just used the chest as a reference point. But if you can cover any set of 10 shots with your hand from 20 feet away, that's pretty satisfactory in my opinion! I use a scoring system and challenge myself with every range trip. I see so many people just shoot 100 rounds at one target and it seems there is no point or goal in improving. 2 guns, 2 paper targets per gun, and I shoot in 10 shot groups, usually 50 rounds per gun. 10 points inside the kill zone with the first 5 rounds, 5 points for the 2nd 5. Giving more importance on the first 5 shots. And I take away the same amount of points, outside the Zone! This at least gives me a solid number to improve on. Am I crazy or can anyone relate to needing challenged to improve in just about anything??

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What is satisfactory groupings for Conceal weapons(small hand guns) from 20 feet! I've heard, if you can cover 10 out of 10 rounds fired with your hand that's pretty ok!
I would say that the group could get bigger if someone was shooting back.
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I would say that the group could get bigger if someone was shooting back.
Yep, no ****! Bullets flying all over the place more like it.
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