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Old 05-08-2009, 09:40 PM   #1
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Finally made it to the range today. Wifey was supposed to come along, but had something come up and couldn't.

First things first. This gun is fantastic. The finish, the fit, and balance are all top-notch. I replaced the ugly stock grips with a 12-dollar pair of Hogues, which fit my hand better and are night-and-day with the stock grips as far as looks. Here's the before picture; you can see the new grips on the gun in the pictures below.



Only (minor) issue I've run into is when loading with the 8rd KimPro mag, the 1st round binds up and won't feed into the barrel. No problems at all when I only filled it with 7rds. My 8rd Colt mag works fine, no issues at all

Anyhow...shot 99 rounds of PMC Brass 230gr FMJ. Every shot was perfect, no problems; no ejection issues, no binding issues, slide always locked back after the last round. Big thumbs up on that.

Here's the first target; 7 yards, 4 mags, 30 rounds. This is my first time ever shooting the pistol. First 2 mags were single shot at about 1rd/sec, last two mags were double taps. Point-of-aim was the X.



Wow! First time and I'm already more accurate than I ever was with my Sig.

Second target; 12 yards, 4 mags, 30rds. I was stoked by how well this thing fires! I went through these real fast, mostly just to see how well I could keep the barrel on target while putting a lot of lead down-range. Not as spot on as at a lower shooting speed, but the bad guy is still going to have a rotten day.



Last target; 15 yards, 5 1/2 mags, remaining 39rds. I slowed down a little with this one. With the KimPro magazine (which I was only putting 7rds in), I did single shots, spaced about 1-1.5 secs apart. With the colt 8rd mag, I was doing double taps, again all aimed center-mass



Conclusion; I am the weak point with this gun. If I'm ever going to put my life behind a gun, I'm happy knowing that this one isn't going to let me down.

Thanks for taking the time to read all that =)
-Joel

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Outstanding!

And guess what, it just gets better!

Here's a surprise for ya, I like the gun with the original G-10 tactical grips.

I just don't understand you guys with your mono-black guns?? I'm sure if you have followed the Rowland build-off you picked up on that!

Great shooting and remember, it just gets better!

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Wow! First time and I'm already more accurate than I ever was with my Sig.
Paging Ineffable...

Give the Kimber magazine a little time and keep trying the 8th round. The gun and magazine just need some time to get broken in.

What did you think of the trigger when compared to the Sig?
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Heck of a nice report, Rare! Are you itching to get back to it, now that you know what she feels like? Go ahead and get more ammo and take her out for a weekend.

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@ Cane - I agree, totally black is plain. I'm using the Hogues until I can afford some nice wood or animal horn grips. The stock tan ones are just a hair too wide for me, and the color was (IMO) bad. I plan on swapping the ambi safety, slide stop, and maybe the grip safety for stainless ones when I've got the money for silly things like that =)

@ Matt - The Kimber trigger is only about 1/2lb lighter than the Sig (P228 btw), but the Kimber is much smoother and shorter. It's like butter. I like my Sig, but I have a feeling it's going to become a safe queen, or get sold/traded towards a 2nd 1911 for wifey =)

@ skullcrusher - If I can find any .45, I'll do everything I can to drag her back out =) Can't wait

Thanks for the comments all

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Nice! How much did that kimber run you? Oh and I think the new grips look way better than the other ones.

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@ Cane - I agree, totally black is plain. I'm using the Hogues until I can afford some nice wood or animal horn grips. The stock tan ones are just a hair too wide for me, and the color was (IMO) bad. I plan on swapping the ambi safety, slide stop, and maybe the grip safety for stainless ones when I've got the money for silly things like that
Some suggestions for your above bling;

Going with SS will be a great way to accent your gun but be ready to do some work and the possibility of refinishing.

Remember a drop-in part, isn't!
  1. Changing out the thumb safety will require 'some' tuning.
  2. Be sure you get a hi-quality (Machine tool or forged) slide stop. NO MIM!!
  3. Most grip safetys require a radius change to the frame. See; http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f35/big-thunder-ii-vs-fenrir-1911-460-rowland-build-off-10752/index3.html#post75665
  4. You will more than likely want to swap out the MSH for a metal unit. Maybe one with a magwell. See; http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f35/big-thunder-ii-vs-fenrir-1911-460-rowland-build-off-10752/index4.html#post73852

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@ Matt - The Kimber trigger is only about 1/2lb lighter than the Sig (P228 btw), but the Kimber is much smoother and shorter. It's like butter.
The 1911 JMB design slide trigger is ingenious! Mine breaks like a glass rod!

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I like my Sig, but I have a feeling it's going to become a safe queen, or get sold/traded towards a 2nd 1911 for wifey
A suggestion for the wife's 1911; The 3" Defender

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Nice report, I have been drooling over the warrior at my local cop shop.
Your report makes me want it even more.

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@ Dynasty - Thanks =) Paid just under 1k for it

@ Cane - Thanks for the advice. I may hold off on the grip safety for awhile =) I've thought about replacing the MSH down the road; it's another of those things that falls under the 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it!' category. I've been blabbering about how nice this past range visit was to wifey all day and how she shoulda been there, when I told her she needed to shoot the 1911 herself she said she'd give it a few mags. That's the first step =)

@ bpwables - Do it, you won't regret it. Unless you hate tan grips

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Cane - Thanks for the advice. I may hold off on the grip safety for awhile =) I've thought about replacing the MSH down the road; it's another of those things that falls under the 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it!' category. I've been blabbering about how nice this past range visit was to wifey all day and how she shoulda been there, when I told her she needed to shoot the 1911 herself she said she'd give it a few mags. That's the first step.
Under the 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it!' column, Let me share this little MSH "fix" I didn't know I needed.

When I first got my Defender I couldn't hit paper with it! The gun had FTF and FTE issues and my cognitive dissonance was screaming what a dumb purchase!!!

My third trip to the range was my turning point. It was a slow day and the Range Officer was hanging around me escaping from the boredom. After watching my frustration he offered this question, "First mouse gun?" My hubris wanted to tell him to go clean up brass but my intellect said help. I said, “Yep.”

He said, “You can’t grip that mini-me like a Government model. Your grip is too low. You should go back to the Hogue’s.”

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^ As-issued Defender W/Houges

I said, “There is no handle, it’s so small I can’t get good purchase.”

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^ The first change I made was to remove the Goodyear's.

He went on to show me how to grip the Defender by jamming my thumb-web into the beavertail first and then let my fingers find their natural placement. He went on to tell me my grip looked good but he bet me he could make it better.

I figured at this point any assistance will help and said, “How?” He went on to explain that he bet my strong side hand was doing all the gripping and that would pull the muzzle off target when the trigger is pulled. Have your weak side hand provide about 60% of the grip pressure.

I ran the remainder of my ammo on target, NO FTF/FTEs, me in amazement and the Range Officer with a big grin on his face!

What’s that cute story have to do with a MSH? OK…OK I’m getting to it!

My hands were obviously too big for this 3” 1911. In search for a fix I thought the addition of a magwell would add to the length of the Defender frame. (I know, I know, I should’ve bought the LW Commander!!)

I called Smith & Alexander in Texas and got Allen Smith. I explained the above ‘cute’ story and WOW! Talking to Allen is like taking a pistolsmith class! He said my problem was more a MSH issue than a short grip. He ask me if my shots were mostly low and to the weak side? ...."Yep."

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He went on to tell me that when the Army came back to Browning for changes to the M1911 one of the complaints was the Calvary, shooting mostly from horseback, were always hitting under their targets and wanted something done with the sights. JMB being the true genius that he was knew the sights were fine and came up with the arched MSH to force the shooter’s hand up higher on the grip. This simple change causes the muzzle higher in a natural point shooting stance and increased accuracy. The arched housing is one of the few changes made to the design and the result was the M1911A1 introduced in 1924. (Thank God they didn’t change the name to 1924!)

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....^..M1911A1 W/Arched MSH

The reason we see few arched MSH's on today’s production 1911’s is due to the small horseback shooting demographic.

You’re shooting looks to be fine. I share this experience with you (and others) to show how an unknown problem was fixed by observant and helpful fellow gun owner.

The MSH change along with the purchase of the Wilson Combat 47DOXB 8rd mag (giving my pinky a place to park) has taken a “bad purchase” and turned it into my favorite CCW!

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^ Defender W/ Arched MSH & Mag
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