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molonlabexx 02-21-2013 09:05 PM

Mosin Nagant 91/30 Range data *75 yards*
 
Date- A few weeks ago
Range- 75 yards
Conditions- indoor, room temperature
Ammo- Sellier & Bellot 180 Grain #2940

Grouping was 5 rounds in a 2.5 Inch group. Threw the range targets away :( but it was a pretty good group. No scope, just plan sights brought down to default range of 300 meters (i think)

Not the longest distance but I am pretty satisfied. Close quarters combat ranges and home defense ranges.

More reports with Ruger 10/.22 LR coming soon!

jpattersonnh 02-21-2013 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by molonlabexx (Post 1147532)
Date- A few weeks ago
Range- 75 yards
Conditions- indoor, room temperature
Ammo- Sellier & Bellot 180 Grain #2940

Grouping was 5 rounds in a 2.5 Inch pattern. Threw the range targets away :( but it was a pretty good group. No scope, just plan sights brought down to default range of 300 meters (i think)

Not the longest distance but I am pretty satisfied. Close quarters combat ranges and home defense ranges.

More reports with Ruger 10/.22 LR coming soon!

Patterns are for shotguns. CQ, better have a bayonet attached. They are minute of man rifles. I would not like to be 400 yards in front of one.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/09/ralph/ralph’s-guide-to-your-first-mosin-nagant-9130-pt-3/

molonlabexx 02-21-2013 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jpattersonnh (Post 1147709)
Patterns are for shotguns. CQ, better have a bayonet attached. They are minute of man rifles. I would not like to be 400 yards in front of one.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/09/ralph/ralph’s-guide-to-your-first-mosin-nagant-9130-pt-3/

My apologies. You are correct, patterns are shotgun terminology. They were sighted in to be fired with the bayonets on, the Russians did not want them to take the bayonets off the rifle. As far as the ammo correction goes, the box is hard to read but you are correct, spelled with an "S". Thanks for the input & corrections. Fixed both mistakes on original post!

jpattersonnh 02-22-2013 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by molonlabexx (Post 1147760)
My apologies. You are correct, patterns are shotgun terminology. They were sighted in to be fired with the bayonets on, the Russians did not want them to take the bayonets off the rifle. As far as the ammo correction goes, the box is hard to read but you are correct, spelled with an "S". Thanks for the input & corrections. Fixed both mistakes on original post!


If you read the article I posted, you will see there was no official way they were sighted in. It was up to the rifleman to figure out what target "hold" to use. I have found most shoot 6..8" high at 100 yards. 6 o'clock hold takes care of that. Everything changes again switching from light ball to heavy ball. The rifle was designed for heavy ball, but rarely saw any in its' lifetime.

molonlabexx 02-22-2013 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by jpattersonnh (Post 1147803)
If you read the article I posted, you will see there was no official way they were sighted in. It was up to the rifleman to figure out what target "hold" to use. I have found most shoot 6..8" high at 100 yards. 6 o'clock hold takes care of that. Everything changes again switching from light ball to heavy ball. The rifle was designed for heavy ball, but rarely saw any in its' lifetime.

Removing the bayonet alters barrel harmonics

Sighted in was up to them but they were ordered to keep the bayonet on, as it was a standard for CQC

jpattersonnh 02-22-2013 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by molonlabexx (Post 1147847)
Removing the bayonet alters barrel harmonics

Sighted in was up to them but they were ordered to keep the bayonet on, as it was a standard for CQC

Sighting was done at the factory. Now if you have ever put a bayonet on a 91/30, they are a pita to get off. If you look at what was issued to the Soviet soldier, there was no frog or scabbard issued for the bayonet. Where else could you keep it? It was not for CQC, it was out of no other place to keep it. The Soviets came up w/ the PPsh after the Winter war with Finland. The Finn's armed w/ Soumi's devastated the Soviets in the dense forests. The Soviets got their second lesson from the German infantry and their sub guns in urban environments.

molonlabexx 02-22-2013 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jpattersonnh (Post 1148521)
Sighting was done at the factory. Now if you have ever put a bayonet on a 91/30, they are a pita to get off. If you look at what was issued to the Soviet soldier, there was no frog or scabbard issued for the bayonet. Where else could you keep it? It was not for CQC, it was out of no other place to keep it. The Soviets came up w/ the PPsh after the Winter war with Finland. The Finn's armed w/ Soumi's devastated the Soviets in the dense forests. The Soviets got their second lesson from the German infantry and their sub guns in urban environments.

I would have to disagree with the CQC statement. They were in fact ordered to keep them on, I guess partially because they did not have a sheath/scabbard. Stalingrad was a battle where they were ordered to not take them off. They charged the Germans street by street. Keep in mind, these guys were given a clip of ammo and another followed with the other clip. In all the chaos, I doubt the original 2 soldiers would meet up and trade off by who dies first. The bayonet was the last line of offense. In other battles, the bayonet would have not been useful for the purpose it was in Stalingrad. You can't kill people with a bayonet from 300 yards away, but in CQC you can, and that is what they did.

jpattersonnh 02-22-2013 09:50 PM

Not attempting to get into a pissing contest, but.... your off base.
Read this..
http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/PPSh-41

and read the 1st article I posted.

Don't forget, it is 48.5" log and weighs 8.8lb without the bayonet. 66.5" with. That is 5.54 feet. Remember, they were not running at each other like the civil war. What you saw watching Enemy at the Gates was hollywood, not actual fact. If it was, why no bayonets on any of the 91/30's during the charge or later in the fountian???

thdrduck 02-25-2013 05:34 PM

My 91, with a scope, off a bench, with Winchester ammo, without a bayonet will shoot MOA. Usually 2 of 3 holes touching. Could never come close to that with Wolf or surplus. And I wouldn't doubt you could use the bayonet at 300 yards, you may need to use the gun to "poll vault" over to the enemy first, but I think it could be done.:D

molonlabexx 02-25-2013 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by thdrduck (Post 1153678)
My 91, with a scope, off a bench, with Winchester ammo, without a bayonet will shoot MOA. Usually 2 of 3 holes touching. Could never come close to that with Wolf or surplus. And I wouldn't doubt you could use the bayonet at 300 yards, you may need to use the gun to "poll vault" over to the enemy first, but I think it could be done.:D

With a bayonet as long as my leg, anything can be done.


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