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zhuk 12-20-2010 02:02 AM

First attempt open sights
 
Had a chance to try a club member's Jungle carbine yesterday at the benchrest range, 115m on 1ft² paper, offhand standing (did try sitting for a few rounds also). Not a chance of seeing the targets printed on there...or the paper itself barely. Just the post in front of something vaguely white & fuzzy a freaking long way away, heh (my eyes are getting old dammit!)

Uh I think I've been spoiled by scopes...


http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/...m_768x1024.jpg
No I can't see them either lol

http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/...arbine2jpg.jpg

http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/...Carbinejpg.jpg

http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/...uple223jpg.jpg
Several people said you're doing good to get anything on first time with open sights, don't think they were bullsh1tting me...ha hope not
(couple of .223 in there also)



'BOOM! Ow! Bwahaha! BOOM! Ow! Bwahaha!' says it all really, you couldn't help but laugh. My shoulder is well tenderised! Very fun, though I don't know how I'd go in a rapid comp...as I just couldn't cycle the bolt on the shoulder at all. And you'll get a new arse torn for you by our RO if you try to close the bolt in any other position while in competition!

Then there's the dead arm afterwards heh. Still had a great time.

7point62 12-20-2010 02:40 AM

Nice old No 5. Always thought those flash supressors were a bit strange. It looks like an arm kicker.

zhuk 12-20-2010 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by 7point62 (Post 406114)
Nice old No 5. Always thought those flash supressors were a bit strange. It looks like an arm kicker.



I can attest to that :D

kenhesr 12-20-2010 05:59 PM

:D Thats why my #5 is so pristine, nobody wants to shoot the "mule kick'in" old girl.

Sure makes you appreciate the MK I & III or #4.

I know exactly what you mean about scopes, without one, I'm just wasting ammo.

Still and all, any day at the range, sure beats the crap out of a day at work!

Great pics zhuk, thanks, Ken

c3shooter 12-21-2010 12:58 AM

BTW, a note on the SMLE, iron sights, and rapid fire- from Wikipedia-

The fast-operating Lee bolt-action and large magazine capacity enabled a well-trained rifleman to perform the "Mad minute" firing 20 to 30 aimed rounds in 60 seconds, making the Lee-Enfield the fastest military bolt-action rifle of the day. The current world record for aimed bolt-action fire was set in 1914 by a musketry instructor in the British Army—Sergeant Instructor Snoxall—who placed 38 rounds into a 12-inch-wide (300 mm) target at 300 yards (270 m) in one minute.

OK- I'm impressed. Sgt Instructor Snoxall- wherever you are- the beer is on me.

zhuk 12-21-2010 01:04 AM

Hey ken thanks for the reply.


Just a question. Haven't shot one, but from what you're saying a No.4 (or other similar enfield) doesn't have the same shoulder-maiming impact? Cos I'd really love to own one...but I think the no.5 would be out if Sunday is anything to go by :p

Currently competing in Optics (ie scoped) class, but I'd really like to get proficient in Standard (which is classified as an unmodified or open sights military bolt action, Mosin/Mauser or Enfield are most popular).

Really NO idea how people in my club can shoot open sights successfully at 200/300m...and that is rapids/4 sec snap targets also.

Have major respect for them now http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smile...mileys-408.gif

zhuk 12-21-2010 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by c3shooter (Post 406579)
BTW, a note on the SMLE, iron sights, and rapid fire- from Wikipedia-

The fast-operating Lee bolt-action and large magazine capacity enabled a well-trained rifleman to perform the "Mad minute" firing 20 to 30 aimed rounds in 60 seconds, making the Lee-Enfield the fastest military bolt-action rifle of the day. The current world record for aimed bolt-action fire was set in 1914 by a musketry instructor in the British Army—Sergeant Instructor Snoxall—who placed 38 rounds into a 12-inch-wide (300 mm) target at 300 yards (270 m) in one minute.

OK- I'm impressed. Sgt Instructor Snoxall- wherever you are- the beer is on me.


Bloody hell. Count me in on that c3 :eek:

JonM 12-21-2010 01:19 AM

thats not too bad with iron sights. ive seen far worse shotgroupings here in wis from deer hunting types the week before deer season opens. people using 3-9x scopes on 30-06 with shotgun patterns much bigger than that.

zhuk 12-21-2010 01:44 AM

Thanks Jon. I wasn't sure whether I was getting my leg firmly pulled by the blokes at the range or not - you never can tell :D

kenhesr 12-21-2010 03:06 AM

[QUOTE=zhuk;406586]Just a question. Haven't shot one, but from what you're saying a No.4 (or other similar enfield) doesn't have the same shoulder-maiming impact? Cos I'd really love to own one...but I think the no.5 would be out if Sunday is anything to go by :p

Absolutely no comparison in my book zhuk! I agree, if the only Enfield made was the #5, there would be a lot more .303 ammo around. Nobody would be shooting theirs.

This is all unsubstantiated and not very scientific, but my impression on felt recoil with a full length rifle would be maybe 30 to 40% less than with the #5. Never noticed the recoil much, 150 rds with a small bruise. Now with the #5, 20 rds is all I want! JMHO

My favorite .303 is the SMLE MKIII*, its strictly a personal thing, but I favor it over the #4. Out of my MKIII*s the scoped 1941 Lithgow is a tack driver. The others are too, I just can't reach full potential without a scope.

Don't forget the Ishapore 2A & 2A1, they are based on a MKIII* and built in India. Chambered in 7.62 NATO they are SUPER accurate.

After reading your post my right shoulder actually started to hurt! Must be sympathy pains. :D

Here are a few pics of what I was talk'in about. Take care zuhk, Ken

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...field042-1.jpg


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