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Old 04-05-2012, 02:09 AM   #31
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I believe that the neighbors should thank you for taking advantage of you using your second amendment rights because you own guns and they probably do not. It's nice to know that I live in a place where all of my neighbors have at least a couple loaded guns by their bed side ready for action. We take matters into our own hands then we call 911. Cops in my home town take at least 2 hours to get around where we live and that's only 8 miles from town. So we help each other out and we keep an eye on each other in case something ever does happen to any of us. Drunks and druggies are the main problems. They like to stop on the road in front of our house at night. Lol and we like to scare the piss out of them by popping of some rounds. Lol it's kind of a hobby around here.
Sounds like my neck of the woods. Damned druggies tryin to steal anhydrous to make meth. Fun to pop rounds in their direction and watch em scramble lol

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Old 04-05-2012, 03:29 AM   #32
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check this out. as a former police officer, it is my oppinion that you should heed the advice of the cops, and give them a call. there are a lot of people living accrost the country who, whenever they hear a gunshot, think it is someone shooting at them. i've seen it dozens of times. it is the difference between the RTO telling them to nutt up and shutt up, and a couple local law dogs having you prone down in the dirt at gun point over a missunderstanding.
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first off, it's not an arrest, it's a detainment. second, it's police officers using their training along with the information of the call to use a little thing called "officer decression" though not everyone with a gun is dangerous, most of the dangers encountered in law enforcement involve a deadly weapon (i.e. a firearm) its not like SWAT showed up and started body slamming everyone. detainment is used so that ALL persons involved are safe. once the matter is figured out, that's when people get released, arrested, or cited.
Nothing of that sort happened in my situation. The deputies were cautious and polite. After making all firearms safe we stepped away from the shooting bench with our hands in plain sight and waited until they approached us. They were courteous and asked some basic questions such as if there were any houses downrange and when I didn't say anything, raised my eyebrow and looked at our substantial backstop lined with railroad ties built into the hillside he just kinda shrugged and didn't push the question. They asked what we were shooting (an AR, a Mini14 and a Savage model 12. Maybe some .22's on the bench) and we showed them. I offered that they could come shoot if they wanted to and they declined but indicated that they would like to if they weren't deputies.

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I think my neighbors would call 911 if they went a week without hearing shots fired.
My boys said the same thing. we typically do not shoot high power at the house though.

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I'm assuming you live in a rural area which is populated or you wouldn't be allowed to shoot to begin with and being it is that type of area it is probably a decent neighborhood, I could be wrong, but I would think people hearing a bunch of shooting coming from down the road would assume someone is having some target practice rather than assuming some gangbangers decided to come have it out in their hood, lol.
My community is semi-rural and there are modest homes such as mine next to huge McMansions that sell for a couple of million. There is one place down the road that is on the market for $9 million with an unfinished house on it. We see megabuck supercars literally on a daily basis, some of which are owned by my neighbors. It should be very easy to distinguish (I suppose) the target practice from a gun battle. Again, I live in one of the most liberal places in the country and gang activity down in the valley is bad in some areas.

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I believe that the neighbors should thank you for taking advantage of you using your second amendment rights because you own guns and they probably do not. It's nice to know that I live in a place where all of my neighbors have at least a couple loaded guns by their bed side ready for action. We take matters into our own hands then we call 911. Cops in my home town take at least 2 hours to get around where we live and that's only 8 miles from town. So we help each other out and we keep an eye on each other in case something ever does happen to any of us. Drunks and druggies are the main problems. They like to stop on the road in front of our house at night. Lol and we like to scare the piss out of them by popping of some rounds. Lol it's kind of a hobby around here.
This is somewhat the case. I had a neighbor show up with her two daughters on the doorstep one night because her husband was away and she heard some strange sounds. She asked if she could borrow a gun for the night but instead of that I went to their house and looked around, found some tree branches hitting the house. The next day she went to another (more distant) neighbor who gave her his .44 mag for the night. Granted she does know how to shoot, but seriously? A .44 mag?

Cops tend to take a long time to respond and do little to solve crimes. That usually is left up to us. Again, neighbors call me as often as not for advice/help.

I have been advised by more than one LEO that they expect us hillbillies to have things handled by the time they arrive. Nice.
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A courtesy call will go a long way, if LE is called enough times, they may start billing the person who the complaint is called in on if they have to go out enough times. Some agencies have billing policies in place and some don't. If it were me, I would call just to avoid having to pay a bill after LE shows up a few times.
I recall a news article I read a few years ago about such a thing but can't seem to find it now.
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If I received a bill from the Sheriff's Dept for them coming to my house repeatedly to investigate me when I am doing nothing illegal I would wipe my backside with it and mail it back to them. That would essentially mean they are fining me for other people filing ignorant police reports, I don't know of a law stating you are required to notify the law that you are going to shoot your gun and sending you a bill for not doing so is essentially a fine. Bill the morons who keep calling them out for no reason not the law abiding shooter.

Some departments have billing practices in effect, but it's for the party that's calling and abusing the system; not for the parties that are not in violation of any laws or ordinances.
The best example I can personally think of is my dear next door neighbor, who called Emergency Services (911) Ninety-four times in the space of just two years. Everything from barking dogs, to uncut grass, to cars parked in yards instead of driveways, ...

The Sheriff's department said if they have to come out one more time, for some b.s. purpose they were going to charge her with having a disorderly house..
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While I appreciate the spirit of your post, I would rather not have to "fight City Hall", so to speak, and just call in when I am going to shoot. Keep in mind that I live in one of the most liberal counties in one of the most liberal states in the country. And all they ask is that I call before shooting. I am thinking I will follow their advice because if I don't and the deputies have to show up because a neighbor called 911 several times it will quickly go from a non-confrontational visit to a highly confrontational visit with loaded firearms present and law enforcement on private property. Not a good mix. If you "wipe your backside with it" and send it back to them then you are escalating things, and that does nobody any good at all. (Matter of fact, that could be considered "biological warfare". Don't go there!)
I have actually had the police show up to my house on several occasions to ask what I am shooting because the people on the other side of the hill called them. When they get there I have my pistol open in a holster like I always do on my property. They have never fined me or handcuffed me and I don't know that I would let them do that. I'm sure by now they have figured out that my neighbors are a-holes and have quit coming because I still shoot all the time.

I have even had my neighbors call me after I shot my deer rifle a few times during deer season to say that they didn't want anyone shooting deer because they let someone hunt behind my land. They wouldnt want me to kill the deer because their friend might not get one. I told them they don't own the deer and that if I see one I'm going to shoot it whether I wanted too or not now.

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Drugs are sold on the streets drive by shooting by armed gangs. And the police are raiding target shooters. And the citizen does not complain. These are the kind of things that happened in Germany 80 years ago.

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Come on "kid". A shots fired call is a legit call. There is no way of knowing you are "target shooting" until they get there. How they react once they find out what IS going on is much more important. You don't think the gang bangers that do drive bys go the country to practice before they pull a drive by? How better to PREVENT a drive by that by catchinig the gangsters away from the civilian populace.

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Come on "kid". A shots fired call is a legit call. There is no way of knowing you are "target shooting" until they get there. How they react once they find out what IS going on is much more important. You don't think the gang bangers that do drive bys go the country to practice before they pull a drive by? How better to PREVENT a drive by that by catchinig the gangsters away from the civilian populace.
I honestly don't think that gangbangers would think to practice out in the country. Have you actually heard of this? Around here we don't get that sort of stuff. I honestly think that the gangbangers are more afraid of the hillbillies than they are of the rival gangs, as a result they stay out of the boonies. At least that is my experience. I had one former gang member tell me something like (I don't vividly recall what he said exactly) that he would rather be the target of a drive-by shooting than face me in a face to face gunfight. Mind you, he was just a passing aquaintence, not anybody who knew me well. He just assumed that I can hit what I aim at without wasting shots (more or less what he said). I don't make myself out to be a gunfighter to anybody, because I am not and don't want to be one. I don't even play as one, let alone try and represent myself as one.
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And the Police state started by good intention. They even used what sounded like reasonable arguments. And no one spoke out.

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And the Police state started by good intention. They even used what sounded like reasonable arguments. And no one spoke out.
Under the circumstances I don't think we did anything wrong. What would you suggest that we should have done differently? I mean we could have all easily disappeared into the woods. The neighbor who is just over the fence is a mile away by the county road.
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Damn, when I was young there were gravel pits and other areas where people just shot. It was not uncommon to hear gun shots on the weekend. Now, we can only shoot at private gun clubs & private land w more than 10 acres. Liberals have us boxed in, East Coast wise.

Its a royal PIA !

I was thinking about moving to Durangos state. From what I hear, all I have to do is put out some corn & salt lick to attract some deer. Then the mountain lion will come right into my yard and I can shoot them. Sounds like a great way to turn grey. And I think of all the time I spent humping up & down the AZ mountains trying just to get a glimpse of that damn feline. Just let me get a rug or two, as I hear the winter is hell.

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