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Txhillbilly 07-27-2010 12:54 AM

Another day at the Range: Testing the .25-06 & .308
 
I went back to the range today to test some more handloads. I took my 25/06 and 308 Savage's back out there.

The 25/06 is still a big disappointment,but it seems to be doing better,but being a heavy barreled tactical rifle it should shoot the wings off flies at 100 yards.It doesn't,so a new custom barrel may be on the way soon,even though this one only has around 500 rounds through it.
Now don't get me wrong the rifle shoots good,just not the way I expect a rifle built like this to shoot.Most off the rack thin barreled 25/06's will shoot the groups I'm getting with it.

The 308 is a little picky about bullets and powders,but with the right combo,this thing blows my mind.I have never shot 1/4" 3 shot groups with any 30 caliber rifle before,and I still have to look close at the target to believe it.

So far the 25/06 just likes to shoot Sierra 100gr bullets,115,117,120 bullets are just so-so.I'm starting to find the right combo for some Nosler bullets but they still need some work.The worst shooting bullets are Barnes 100gr Triple Shocks.

I don't adjust my scope when I test,so you will see groups in different places on target from different powder charges/bullets.
Here's some pics of 25/06 targets,Best -Worst.

http://i999.photobucket.com/albums/a...lbilly/020.jpg

http://i999.photobucket.com/albums/a...illy/017-4.jpg

http://i999.photobucket.com/albums/a...illy/021-2.jpg

Txhillbilly 07-27-2010 01:02 AM

Here's some of the 308 Targets,I was shooting Hornady 208gr AMax & 165gr SST's,Nosler 168gr Ballistic tips,and some 165gr Remington Corelokt's.
The 208gr AMax loads were the best groups at .223" and .287",the Nosler and SST's also had some great groups.

http://i999.photobucket.com/albums/a...illy/008-7.jpg

http://i999.photobucket.com/albums/a...ly/008-7-1.jpg

http://i999.photobucket.com/albums/a...ly/008-7-2.jpg

lonyaeger 07-27-2010 01:03 AM

What a slouch!

You like the 25/06 cartridge overall, though?

Txhillbilly 07-27-2010 01:05 AM

http://i999.photobucket.com/albums/a...lly/006-10.jpg

http://i999.photobucket.com/albums/a...illy/005-6.jpg

All in all,it was a productive day of testing.I found several different loads that shoot great,and several that I can work on and get them where they need to be.

Txhillbilly 07-27-2010 01:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lonyaeger (Post 320835)
What a slouch!

You like the 25/06 caliber overall, though?

Slouch? You better watch it mister!

You know I like the 25/06,that caliber is a deer killin machine. I'm just pissed that Savage would produce such a piss poor barrel,and let it go out the door.
The tool marks in the barrel are terrible,and I've worked it every way I know how trying to get it to shoot like it should.

I trying to decide on which custom barrel to get.Too many choices,McGowan-Kreiger-Shilen-Hart-etc.

opaww 07-27-2010 11:13 AM

Still some good shooting there.

stalkingbear 07-27-2010 06:46 PM

Have you tried lapping the bore on that 25-06? You'll have to replace the barrel as I'm sure Savage won't do anything about it. For a new barrel are you wanting cut rifling or button rifled? That .308 is really shining.

Txhillbilly 07-29-2010 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by stalkingbear (Post 321232)
Have you tried lapping the bore on that 25-06? You'll have to replace the barrel as I'm sure Savage won't do anything about it. For a new barrel are you wanting cut rifling or button rifled? That .308 is really shining.

I have hand lapped the barrel twice,and also tried to polish it with rubbing compound and a barrel mop.It is better,but still not where it needs to be. It has shot some decent .500-.750 groups,but it is too sporadic and doesn't repeat the same groupings.Most groups are 1.250-1.750,which are fine for a hunting rifle,but poor for a heavy barreled tactical rifle.

As far as a new barrel goes,I'll probably go with a Shilen or McGowan 26" Stainless Match or Super Match grade. I would like a cut rifling barrel,but the wait is like 6 months on most of them and the two brands listed make a fine barrel that will probably do just what I want. If you deal in any barrels,send me a price on them.
26" 1-10 twist 25/06 Stainless Match or Super Match,I'd say that the contour is a #8 for the factory heavy barrel.

The 308 is coming around finally.I've only put a couple hundred rounds down it,and this was the first time I tried the 208gr Amax's.I almost fell off the chair when I saw that .223 group through the scope.
Now if I can get a hunting bullet to get that good!

M14sRock 07-30-2010 05:30 AM

Nice shooting Tx!!! That .308 is money.

I agree that the .25-06 should be driving tacks. Seating depth with the TSX is critical. I get some awesome groups from them, but don't load .25-06 so can't help. Did you email Ty at Barnes? http://www.barnesbullets.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/25-06RemingtonWeb.pdf

My friend has an older Model 10 FP Police in .308 and it took over 500 rds to start shooting well. Went from patterns to groups in one day.

If you decide to re-barrel, it is hard to beat Krieger, Rock Creek and Pacnor. But the lowly (joking!) ER Shaw barrel (button rifled) shoots great, too. They make the Savage bbls and may make yours right. And they are very affordable.

stalkingbear 07-30-2010 03:40 PM

I was under the impression that Savage made their barrels inhouse. In fact I watched a tv program (American Rifleman) that showed them making barrels for the 110/111/10/11/112 series inhouse. It showed them rifling and straightening them. What gives? Do Savage make their own barrels or not? Is my information incorrect or what?:confused:





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Originally Posted by M14sRock (Post 322801)
Nice shooting Tx!!! That .308 is money.

But the lowly (joking!) ER Shaw barrel (button rifled) shoots great, too. They make the Savage bbls and may make yours right. And they are very affordable.



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