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Old 11-27-2013, 08:15 PM   #1
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hey all....

looking for recommendations here.....

I was looking at these....does anyone have experience?

http://www.opticsplanet.com/bushnell-1-4x24mm-throwdown-pcl-ffp-riflescope.html

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Bushnell-AR-Optics-mm-Riflescopes/1580700.uts?productVariantId=3364890&WT.tsrc=CSE&W T.mc_id=GoogleProductAds&WT.z_mc_id1=03605944&rid= 40&channel=GoogleBaseUSA&mr:trackingCode=F9106857-DF97-E211-BA78-001B21631C34&mr:referralID=NA&mr:device=c&mr:adTyp e=pla&mr:ad=36061695791&mr:keyword&mr:match&mr:fil ter=58018270391&gclid=CNKBnaHwhbsCFTEV7Aod6j4ALg&g clsrc=aw.ds

basically, I think I am settled on a good 1-4 scope that can be used as "irons" or some extra magnification.....basically an all around optic. I had a millet dms 1-4 and I liked that is was illuminated and 1-4, but I hated the size...imo it was HUGE...

can't see going over $3oo....less would be better

any other ideas for an AR optic of this nature is appreciated....

thanks

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Old 11-28-2013, 03:16 AM   #2
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Don't have that particular Scope, but I have it's little Brother. It's the 1-4x24 with BDC(2nd Focal Plane). Very good Glass. $100 cheaper than the Throw-Down model.

What I've heard about the Throw-down Model, is it being FFP(1st Focal Plane) Scope, the operator is having troubles with seeing the Retical(horseshoe w/dot)when NOT Illuminated on the power magnification on the lowest power. On FFP the Retical and Target magnifies as power is increased---whereas 2nd FP the Retical stays same size, while Target size is increased with magnification.
Also it appears that the Reticle is being washed out in bright Daylight conditions on Illumination.
Also the Lever looks to be a weak point to break, but everybody seems to like it. All these faults is why I went with the non-Illuminated BDC Model.

Weather's been rather nasty here in Missouri since I put Scope on Rifle(last Week), so I haven't run any rounds down the pipe to test it out. Does look killer on AR though.

I should say I handled the Throw-Down Model in Walmart and I really wasn't impressed with it for the cost. I just knew it wasn't for me with what I saw. For others, it might just be the Cats Meow. It was built well, has very good Glass, Fast Eye Piece. Just didn't like the Horseshoe. Dot good. Horseshoe and Dot I thought cluttered up the image too much. Lever just seemed like it wouldn't last long---but it can be taken off.
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I have the Trophy XLT 1-4x24 with a 4A reticle and 1moa illuminated red dot. Works for me.

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I have the Trophy XLT 1-4x24 with a 4A reticle and 1moa illuminated red dot. Works for me.
Since it features a red dot can I treat shoot it off center like a red dot and not worry about alignment?

That's one concern that's kept me away form non-redot traditional scopes for my ARs ( most of which are set up as CQB pieces
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Since it features a red dot can I treat shoot it off center like a red dot and not worry about alignment?

That's one concern that's kept me away form non-redot traditional scopes for my ARs ( most of which are set up as CQB pieces
A magnifying scope with the illuminated center dot will have some parallax, so not exactly. All depends on the practical scenario. If you shoot for quick acquisition and engagement, and the MOA is a Minute Of Adversary, you should be fine.
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Since it features a red dot can I treat shoot it off center like a red dot and not worry about alignment?

That's one concern that's kept me away form non-redot traditional scopes for my ARs ( most of which are set up as CQB pieces
If the scope is properly set up in the correct forward offset mount you wont be misaligned. The AR's have an excellent cheek weld.
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The AR's have an excellent cheek weld.
You must have large cheeks bro Most would need a Magpul upgrade, or the original A2 perhaps, to grade it that high.
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While some may not like Barska scopes they do work, this is a 3-9x40mm with BDC and IR mil-dot reticle. Works for me. And is a lot less than $249.00

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Hawkguy,

You are right! You will need the 1X if you are going to do any co witnessing with iron sights. With higher power they will just be a shadow. But in the examples JTJ and Bigjim showed here. Scope placement on the rifle is of most importance. The eyepiece should be close to even with the Charging Handle and no further back on the stock! So the proper mounting rail or scope mount system is necessary as in their pictures. Bushnell does make a decent scope and for the money regarding what type you mentioned.

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want a really great crystal clear scope for super cheap??

i hunt for the old weaver k2.5 series made in el paso. the german post reticle are the best and fastest. some can have poor glass due to abuse by the owner but the ones you find in good condition are crystal clear.

prices here in wisconsin shows run 35-55$

i just picked up a nice 2.5 with super thin xhairs for my 03A3 repro build for 50$.

thy dont look tactical but are much more well built than pretty much everything short of a nikon african monarch or better.

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