After years of taking my father in law hunting and him never wanting to go to the range, last year I said enough. He literally would shoot a box,yes 20 shells and not hit a thing! The big difference last year was I let him use my range finder ( his vision does not let him estimate range well) and a good pair of bino's, which he always had but rarely used. Old school I guess. Anyway, He was literally driving tacks at the range and did the same in the field. I even let him shoot a few "black" guns att he range which he said he didn't like but his smile said otherwise! Anyway, now when he comes to visit we spend at least 3 hours at the range "having fun".....I know better.... The is no substitute for range time. Thanks guys, great site here !