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JonM 10-07-2011 12:25 PM

mildot vs moa reticle
 
I would think a moa scaled reticle would be ideal for doing holdovers especially if the dials are moa dials. Am i missing something in this guesstamation??

Would itmake it easier as in adjusting for long range shots as in you need 30moa of elevation so dial in 10 and hold the 20moa mark??

Would that make longer shots easier and faster or am i not understanding it right??

Yunus 10-07-2011 12:36 PM

I think your logic is sound but the difficulty would be in making sure you do your math correctly every time your making 2 adjustments instead of just 1. I'm the kind of person who prefers to adjust my sight picture instead of adjusting my scope, so MIL is my preference. I want consistently distanced bars and I will adjust as I see fit, I don't trust the MOA bars because they never seem accurate to me and I can't afford really high end scopes so I'm always afraid that adjustments will not be precise.

Lindenwood 10-07-2011 01:32 PM

Actually, that is a good point. I can see how the advantage of not needing to adjust your scope on the fly would be a good one!

But Im also with him in that I can't afford high-end scopes and also wouldn't expect precise turrets on lower-end ones. So, I might be looming at it from the wrong perspective heh.

Though, your logic itself seems good to me also!

Question: How do mil-dots differ in their spacing relative to MOA marks?

762 10-07-2011 01:43 PM

i'm not sure if i understand the question, but i'll throw in my 2 cents. i'm bored at work lol.

you're not gonna be able to holdover an even 20 MOA on a mildot. the value of a mildot changes as range increases.

at 100 yards, it equals ~3.6 inches......at 1000 yards in equal 36 inches.

i have a range card set up for my 700P with a 100 yard zero. i know to hit my target at say 400 yards, i need to dial in about +6.5 minutes to hit my mark.

the value of a mildot at 400 yards is about 14.4" (3.6 x 4). when i adjust +6.5 minutes, it's accounting for the bullet dropping about 26".

if i wanted to hit my 400 yard target without adjusting my scope, i'd put the 2nd MIL below the cross hairs on my target and i could expect to hit the target. that works because at 400 yards i know that one MIL is 14.4", so 2 MILs would be 28.8".

i'd pick one or the other. there's just no reason to mix the 2.

762 10-07-2011 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Lindenwood (Post 595744)
Question: How do mil-dots differ in their spacing relative to MOA marks?

wait a minute, are you talking about scopes that adjust in MILs versus scopes that adjust in MOA?

JonM 10-07-2011 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 762 (Post 595757)
wait a minute, are you talking about scopes that adjust in MILs versus scopes that adjust in MOA?

im referencing the nightforce nxs f1 with the nprf1 reticle. that scope adjusts in .25moa clicks and the reticle is marked in 10moa increments with hashmarks between the 10s.

im asking because while i understand mildots its easier for me to think in terms of bullet drop. i can look at my cheat sheet and now how many moa i need for a given range for my rifle. anyway i could use miliradian but that would require relearning.

moa is close enough to an inch and i understand inches.

the space between mildots is approx 3.6inches at 100 yards 36inches at 1000. scopes that work in 1/10 mil click are .36inch per click roughly. 1/4inch at 100 is easier for me to juggle mentally at any given range

762 10-07-2011 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JonM (Post 595893)
im referencing the nightforce nxs f1 with the nprf1 reticle. that scope adjusts in .25moa clicks and the reticle is marked in 10moa increments with hashmarks between the 10s.

im asking because while i understand mildots its easier for me to think in terms of bullet drop. i can look at my cheat sheet and now how many moa i need for a given range for my rifle. anyway i could use miliradian but that would require relearning. i hear you there, that's why i'm not sure if i want to get a MIL/MIL scope

moa is close enough to an inch and i understand inches. yes, an MOA is about an inch at 100 yards, about 2 inches at 200 yards, about 3 inches at 300 yards, etc.

scopes that work in 1/10 mil click are .36inch per click roughly. yes, at 100 yards the value is .36 inches per click, but at 200 yards it would be .72 inches per click b/c the value of a MIL changes. (3.6 x 2 = 7.2........7.2/10 = .72)


1/4inch at 100 is easier for me to juggle mentally at any given rangei'm in the same boat as you. i've always used a scope with MOA adjustments, i dont want to have to learn something new.


check out this chart someone posted on another site

http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/a...ve/moa-mil.gif

Txhillbilly 10-07-2011 07:32 PM

That's why I'm glad that almost all of my scopes have resetable zero turrets.

Once I know what the ballistics are for each load I shoot in each gun,I'll make a range card for it.
I even try to see what the differences are with different loads,and note what the zero would be if I needed to change ammo in the field without having to rezero the scope for that load.

Range it,Dial it,Kill it!

762 10-07-2011 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Txhillbilly (Post 596004)
That's why I'm glad that almost all of my scopes have resetable zero turrets.

Once I know what the ballistics are for each load I shoot in each gun,I'll make a range card for it.
I even try to see what the differences are with different loads,and note what the zero would be if I needed to change ammo in the field without having to rezero the scope for that load.

Range it,Dial it,Kill it!

same here, i've had my zero set at 100 yards for almost 2 years now. i dial it when i need to adjust for range, then set it back to 100 yard zero once i'm done.

i wanna upgrade my scope though, looking into the super sniper 10x right now. MOA adjustments with mil dot reticle. next gun i build will have a MIL/MIL scope with a FFP reticule. i just wanna stick with what i know for right now.


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