[Copeman60]

Is the vortex strike fire worth it for the money?? Do they really stack up well against aimpoints

[purehavoc]

Originally Posted by Copeman60

Is the vortex strike fire worth it for the money?? Do they really stack up well against aimpoints

Im sure some one will jump all over me on this one but its not apple to apples .
The aimpoint has a ridiculous battery life 30000-50000 yrs thats well over 3 yrs of continuous on the vortex Im not sure of battery life . I have left mine on for weeks and its still working . and your talking about 250-$350 difference between the 2 depending on the aimpoint model , the aimpoints have a water proof depth of 150 ft the vortex 49.7 ft . Yes the vortex is a fabulous sight for the $169 they cost , their customer service is top notch , no BS warranty whether your the first owner or the 100th owner of that optic. now you can get the aimpoints in a 2 moa dot and you cannot do that with the vortex your stuck with a 4 moa dot, both have NV mode . I would not be afraid to own another one .

[Copeman60]

Originally Posted by purehavoc

Im sure some one will jump all over me on this one but its not apple to apples .
The aimpoint has a ridiculous battery life 30000-50000 yrs thats well over 3 yrs of continuous on the vortex Im not sure of battery life . I have left mine on for weeks and its still working . and your talking about 250-$350 difference between the 2 depending on the aimpoint model , the aimpoints have a water proof depth of 150 ft the vortex 49.7 ft . Yes the vortex is a fabulous sight for the $169 they cost , their customer service is top notch , no BS warranty whether your the first owner or the 100th owner of that optic. now you can get the aimpoints in a 2 moa dot and you cannot do that with the vortex your stuck with a 4 moa dot, both have NV mode . I would not be afraid to own another one .

Thanks man I just Ordered one from optic planet. It's on back Oder but I hope to have it soon. Do u know any thing about the vortex x3 magnifier??

[purehavoc]

Originally Posted by Copeman60

Thanks man I just Ordered one from optic planet. It's on back Oder but I hope to have it soon. Do u know any thing about the vortex x3 magnifier??

Never messed with one but I hear they are pretty clear. If I need to get out farther than 200 yards I go get something with a scope on it

[JonM]

Originally Posted by Copeman60

Is the vortex strike fire worth it for the money?? Do they really stack up well against aimpoints

They are good for the price point. Aimpoint is worth the extra money. One of the issues with most lower end rds like the strikefire is they arent that durable so warranty is important. Batteries can be an issue as they are sometimes hard to find. If its a gun your life depends on get a aimpoint if itsca range toy strikefire or its kin is just fine.

Originally Posted by Shade

I would like a primer on tactical optics. Hunting scopes I know, but
Red Dots, Holo's and ACOGs I need to learn more about. Have some
AR's coming that need some optics.

Red dots or rds and holos are pretty much the same thing, unmagnified optics and really just electronic versions of iron sights only not as accurate. I say not as accurate because pinpoint accuracy can be achieved with iron sights with proper dedication and training. With rds/holo sights the dot or image is anywhere from 1moa to 4 moa in size. So at 100 yards its covering 1-4 inches of target. At 300 yards its 3-12 inches.

Unless you center it perfectly each time which isnt possible due to the fuzziness of the dot or hologram itself, current light conditions or other factors in design your actual shotgroup when fired is much larger.

For accurate precision shooting at any real distance an rds or holo is worse than just using traditional iron sights.

What they DO excel at is very rapid target acquisition and landing hits on man sized targets at close range to about 100 yards. Magnifying them offsets the drawbacks only slightly.

With an acog, there is only one maker of acogs trijicon, you get a more traditional magnified optic with a quick target acquisition style reticle. This lends itself much better to longer range accurate shooting and still able to be used in close range rapid target acquisition with some training.

The thing that sets the acog apart from other optics and from rds and holos is the lack of need for batteries. The reticle is powered by tritium and in some models also by fiber optic for both day/night illumination without need for manual adjustment of brightness. The dual illumination models simply are amazing in their ability to self adjust reticle brightness from ambient lighting conditions. They are also more rugged than the famed aimpoints.

My favorite choice are the acogs with dual illumination and the trijicon accupoint scopes with dual illumination for hunting. Used my accupoint for the first time this year deer hunting and sitting behind the scope not having to adjust brightness as the sky went from night to dawn to day and keeping the green dot visible but able to see the animals in all lighting is amazing.

[Muliemaster]

Originally Posted by JonM

They are good for the price point. Aimpoint is worth the extra money. One of the issues with most lower end rds like the strikefire is they arent that durable so warranty is important. Batteries can be an issue as they are sometimes hard to find. If its a gun your life depends on get a aimpoint if itsca range toy strikefire or its kin is just fine.

Red dots or rds and holos are pretty much the same thing, unmagnified optics and really just electronic versions of iron sights only not as accurate. I say not as accurate because pinpoint accuracy can be achieved with iron sights with proper dedication and training. With rds/holo sights the dot or image is anywhere from 1moa to 4 moa in size. So at 100 yards its covering 1-4 inches of target. At 300 yards its 3-12 inches.

Unless you center it perfectly each time which isnt possible due to the fuzziness of the dot or hologram itself, current light conditions or other factors in design your actual shotgroup when fired is much larger.

For accurate precision shooting at any real distance an rds or holo is worse than just using traditional iron sights.

What they DO excel at is very rapid target acquisition and landing hits on man sized targets at close range to about 100 yards. Magnifying them offsets the drawbacks only slightly.

With an acog, there is only one maker of acogs trijicon, you get a more traditional magnified optic with a quick target acquisition style reticle. This lends itself much better to longer range accurate shooting and still able to be used in close range rapid target acquisition with some training.

The thing that sets the acog apart from other optics and from rds and holos is the lack of need for batteries. The reticle is powered by tritium and in some models also by fiber optic for both day/night illumination without need for manual adjustment of brightness. The dual illumination models simply are amazing in their ability to self adjust reticle brightness from ambient lighting conditions. They are also more rugged than the famed aimpoints.

My favorite choice are the acogs with dual illumination and the trijicon accupoint scopes with dual illumination for hunting. Used my accupoint for the first time this year deer hunting and sitting behind the scope not having to adjust brightness as the sky went from night to dawn to day and keeping the green dot visible but able to see the animals in all lighting is amazing.

Very good info.

[samnev]

IMO red dots are a waste of ammo much past 100 yards. To bring out the inherent accuracy of an AR 15 you should be looking at a magnified optic. As other have said the ACOG is an excellent choice. I have 4 different ones but my favorite is the dual illumination TA31F. Only thing that might be a problem is the short eye relief, 1.5" which is not problem for me. If you intend to shoot at range more than 300 yards then I would suggest the Vortex Viper 4-16X50 FFP scope.

[ccrow175]

Vortex sparc red dot. It comes with a detachable magnifier, 199.99 anywhere you look. I run this dot on my daniel defense and it holds zero perfectly, nice and small.

[locutus]

Originally Posted by Copeman60

Is the vortex strike fire worth it for the money?? Do they really stack up well against aimpoints

Is it worth the money?? I dunno

Does it stack up well against the Aimpoint?? Well......NO