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I just found a falcon menace 4-14x44 FFP 30mm, never have heard of falcon it's 349.99. Is it junk? Is the glass good? Is it worth the money? Do any of you have one? What's your thought on them?

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Old 01-10-2014, 03:17 PM   #2
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I had read the following about them on Shooting Forum some time back. What I did observe first of all an IOR Scope in 30MM Tube is failry large although being a fantastic scope and a little pricy compaired to what price you mentioned. But the Falcon Menance dwarfed the IOR! But the main point of interest was the below comment from one owner. If the adjustments are in fact off the tracking and return to exact zero if adjusted! If anyone has one I would be interested if they would do a tracking drill. This is done by using or making a target that has precise "1 inch squares" (1 MOA) on the target with a small 1 Inch bullseye in the center of the Center Square. (4 Inch Squares to the Right of the Center Bullseye Square and 4 Inch Squares to the Left of the Bullseye Square. Also 4 Squares above the Center Bullseye Square and 4 Sqaures below! Then What you do, is once the rifle is precisely zeroed at 100 yards, *Step #1 Fire one shot dead center on the Bullseye. *Step #2: Then adjust the scope UP 2 MOA -" 2 In." or 8 Clicks with a 1/4 in. adjustment Scope. *Step #3: then Right 3 MOA Step #4 then Down 5 MOA [SIZE="3"]Step [/SIZE]#5 then Left 3 MOA and finally Step #6 Up 3 MOA. If the scope tracks correctly and the adjustments are accurate you should be back dead center in the Center of the Bullseye. Good scopes will do this. Poor scopes will not!
You can shoot a shot at each adjustment or just adjust the scope through the process and take a second shot. Your choice on this! Limiting to 2 shots would probably be "Best" due to the fact some rifles migh be effected by fouling or multiple rounds.
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I did confirm my only real complaint so far: The click value of the turrets is off ever so slightly. About 3%. It takes only 97 clicks to go 10 Mils.

It's a small enough error 99.9% of users would never notice; as much as I and others tell people they should always measure to be sure I know very few ever actually do. This is why you do.

So that's the only actual disappointment I've noticed so far. It's no problem if only used on one rifle, a couple strokes in the ballistic program will correct for it and it's close enough to the reticle that it can be ignored for anything I use the reticle for (wind holds, hold over/under modest amounts, etc).
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That's exactly what I was hoping to find I was hoping someone did a tracking job and showed the results. I'm seriously considering buying one here soon if I do I'll do a big review on it. Hopefully someone comes on here that has one.

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That's exactly what I was hoping to find I was hoping someone did a tracking job and showed the results. I'm seriously considering buying one here soon if I do I'll do a big review on it. Hopefully someone comes on here that has one.

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Pyne,

I had read the following about them on Shooting Forum some time back. What I did observe first of all an IOR Scope in 30MM Tube is failry large although being a fantastic scope and a little pricy compaired to what price you mentioned. But the Falcon Menance dwarfed the IOR! But the main point of interest was the below comment from one owner. If the adjustments are in fact off the tracking and return to exact zero if adjusted! If anyone has one I would be interested if they would do a tracking drill. This is done by using or making a target that has precise "1 inch squares" (1 MOA) on the target with a small 1 Inch bullseye in the center of the Center Square. (4 Inch Squares to the Right of the Center Bullseye Square and 4 Inch Squares to the Left of the Bullseye Square. Also 4 Squares above the Center Bullseye Square and 4 Sqaures below! Then What you do, is once the rifle is precisely zeroed at 100 yards, *Step #1 Fire one shot dead center on the Bullseye. *Step #2: Then adjust the scope UP 2 MOA -" 2 In." or 8 Clicks with a 1/4 in. adjustment Scope. *Step #3: then Right 3 MOA Step #4 then Down 5 MOA [SIZE="3"]Step [/SIZE]#5 then Left 3 MOA and finally Step #6 Up 3 MOA. If the scope tracks correctly and the adjustments are accurate you should be back dead center in the Center of the Bullseye. Good scopes will do this. Poor scopes will not!
You can shoot a shot at each adjustment or just adjust the scope through the process and take a second shot. Your choice on this! Limiting to 2 shots would probably be "Best" due to the fact some rifles migh be effected by fouling or multiple rounds.
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I did confirm my only real complaint so far: The click value of the turrets is off ever so slightly. About 3%. It takes only 97 clicks to go 10 Mils.

It's a small enough error 99.9% of users would never notice; as much as I and others tell people they should always measure to be sure I know very few ever actually do. This is why you do.

So that's the only actual disappointment I've noticed so far. It's no problem if only used on one rifle, a couple strokes in the ballistic program will correct for it and it's close enough to the reticle that it can be ignored for anything I use the reticle for (wind holds, hold over/under modest amounts, etc).
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thats a good test but i go a bit further i do 8 moa firing a 3 round group in each corner plus center at the start and center at the end.

to eliminate fouling errors and heat errors do some fouling shots then pace yourself and lett he rifle cool for each 3 shot group. takes a lot longer but its a better harsher test. ive found some scopes will track true until you shoot with them mounted... some will track true for a few moa but have a much harder time tracking true with larger values.

if you want to give it a really good test use the max elevation you expect to ever use in the field or range and test with those values. i get rid of optics that cant pass that test or relagate them to plinker status meaning they only get used as a range toy.

some optics like the acog have a very hard time tracking true or replicating clicks because they are designed to be adjusted in the field and the shooter is supposed to use the bdc. not all optics need to have good tracking if they have a usable bdc.

depend on the optic.

never heard of the brand the op brings up
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For $349 you can get some nice scopes that are proven winners. I have seen 50 mm Baraska scopes marked at $300 plus but that doesn't make it a great scope. I would do some more research to see who actually manufactures the scope.

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You might want to compare the Falcon to this Primary Arms.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/10/foghorn/gear-review-primary-arms-4-14x44-mil-dot-ffp-scope/
It appears to be the identical scope other than the name on the side. Hard to tell which one has the best value/price. Maybe PA is a factory second, or Falcon is marked up because it comes thru England (still made in China.)

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http://www.snipercentral.com/menace4.htm
I have never seen one but I googled this.
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They look pretty similar other than the Falcon is 1/4" MOA and the PA is 1/10 MOA . I have had really good luck with PA stuff and they back their warranty stuff . I had a Micro dot peter out on me, made the call and I had a new one is 4 days . Just wish PA made the FFP scope in a 6-18

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http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/10/foghorn/gear-review-primary-arms-4-14x44-mil-dot-ffp-scope/
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But the primary arms doesn't have a illuminated mil mil scope, there's is Moa turrets mill reticle. The falcon is mil mil illuminated.

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