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mwsfarm 02-05-2009 05:08 AM

anybody regret buying a crimson trace?
 
considering getting one for my Kahr K9. This is my new primary carry.
I can't find any used ones, that shoud say something, shouldn't it? I also know its not a replacement for practice.

Talk me into it, or out of it.

Dillinger 02-05-2009 03:27 PM

Save your money brother - and I say that from having bought into the hype and got Crimson Trace grips for my Sig P-229 back in the day.

I bought into the sales pitch hook, line and sinker. I forget what I spent on those things, but it was a couple of hundred easy back in the 90's.

I used to dry fire practice all over the house with that thing when I first got them. In that aspect, it was cool, but it didn't tell me a damn thing about how well I was actually shooting ( more on that in a minute ).

After about, maybe 6 months, I noticed that the red dot had become more of a red splash, it was well over the size of a quarter. So, I contacted Crimson Trace, sent them back and they sent me a new pair. Apparently the glass they used at the time, would be affected by the hi density light of the "laser".

Okay, fair enough - the new one worked well and I carried it that way for a couple of years.

So, I am at the range one day with a good friend, a much older guy who had done a TON of shooting his day and he says to me "You know that damn hi tech toy points TWO ways don't you?"

See, there in lies the problem. A bad guy will be able to see, not only where you are, but also what angle you are firing from. Anyone with any training is going to be able to assess the situation and find cover based on that information in a PDQ motion when their life is on the line. Then you are hung out to dry as they know right where you are and can start shooting back. :eek:

My vote would be save your money.

However, for good dry fire practice with a "laser" that will actually benefit you:

Rovatec Bullite Training System


Here's a good review by the guys over on m4carbine.net ( with thanks from Firearm'sTalk ).

JD

Ashkelon 02-07-2009 02:03 AM

Have it on my S&W M&P 9c. I love it. Speeds target acquisition to a whole new level. Not as tight of groups put puts it in the silhouette every time. I agree with Dillinger in that it works both ways but you are banking on speed. Its not on all the time unless you apply the pressure.

big shrek 02-18-2009 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dillinger (Post 68591)
So, I am at the range one day with a good friend, a much older guy who had done a TON of shooting his day and he says to me "You know that damn hi tech toy points TWO ways don't you?"

See, there in lies the problem. A bad guy will be able to see, not only where you are, but also what angle you are firing from. Anyone with any training is going to be able to assess the situation and find cover based on that information in a PDQ motion when their life is on the line. Then you are hung out to dry as they know right where you are and can start shooting back. :eek:
JD

Well, he's right...and he's wrong at the same time. Anyone that turns on a laser for full-time use when searching for a suspect needs to have their nugget checked...and on that, he's right.

Most folks nowadays use the touchpad type on/off button (mine's a touch-pad, press to use and release to turn off) and only hit the button for the laser once they're on center-mass...the laser is just used to fine-tune a bit :) Heart...lung...forehead...throat...gunhand...

It's no worse than using a flashlight. The big difference is that you can hold your weapon completely away from your body, activate your laser, and as quick as you paint the bad guy you can STILL make more accurate shots than with a flashlight alone!!!

Most of the time the laser is used to let someone know that they are completely scrooged and need to be Very Very Still...nothing like seeing a couple of green dots on your chest to make you change your mind from being naughty ;)

Red lasers are pretty much useless...good lighting makes them harder to see. But green lasers can be used in daylight or dark.

It's all in the tactics you use with your laser.

cpttango30 02-18-2009 12:10 PM

Lasers are for two things. Giving power points and burning holes in things. I never seen a need for them on my guns weather it is green or red. Now we have blue lasers. How long before they become the best "Tactical Laser out there".

Txhillbilly 02-22-2009 08:50 AM

My S&W 1911PD came with the laser grips from the factory,they are fun to use at the indoor range,but for self defense they really serve no purpose. Since they are mounted off the side of the grip,they are only accurate at whatever range you set them at,shots farther or closer than where the laser is set will cause POI to be left or right of the laser.

Mark F 02-23-2009 03:35 PM

For what it's worth, I bought a new S&W 410S 40 cal. with a CT laser already installed. It was a POS. You couldn't hold the laser on and squeeze the tirgger without messing up your aim. I put up with this crap for about a year, then I traded it for my CZ75B.

I also have a rail-mount laser for my Ruger P345. It loses ZERO about every 50 to 75 rounds.

Lasers are nothing more than novelties that require maintenance... as far as I'm concerned.

JiroZero713 02-23-2009 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark F (Post 74200)
For what it's worth, I bought a new S&W 410S 40 cal. with a CT laser already installed. It was a POS. You couldn't hold the laser on and squeeze the tirgger without messing up your aim. I put up with this crap for about a year, then I traded it for my CZ75B.

I also have a rail-mount laser for my Ruger P345. It loses ZERO about every 50 to 75 rounds.

Lasers are nothing more than novelties that require maintenance... as far as I'm concerned.

I like lasers myself but not on pistols.

And speaking of CZs...I know I post this alot but


BWAAAR Now this is a add on that actually has a purpose. Stupid....but you know...just purposefully awesome.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/w...0/img-1751.jpg

Or you could buy the KA-BAR pistol bayonet

http://www.laserlyte.com/Pistol_Bayo...-1/PB1-0ss.jpg

Lasers on an AR yeah I'll give you that....but really I'd much rather have a flash light...because another good thing about a flashlight is....that when it's lit in light areas sometimes it can save your skin by making you blend in with the day light making it where your center mass can not be scene...this can happen in the dark too but in the day time it's more effective.

stalkingbear 02-24-2009 04:36 PM

I have mixed feelings about lasers, and Crimson Trace in particular. I used to be vehemently against weapons mounted electronics in any form or fashion-lasers or lights. I viewed them as a crutch to replace REAL practice and marksmanship. I've since changed my views on lasers but not lights. I've found that while indeed lights point the way right to the source, lasers in fact don't emit a stream of light UNLESS in dusty or smokey conditions. I installed a set of Crimson Trace Lasergrips on my wife's S&W model 442, and it VASTLY improved her shooting. I can NEVER get her to practice the way I want her to. Now keep in mind that lasers DO NOT take the place of regular practice as anything electronic CAN & WILL fail sooner or later BUT I've came to eat a certain amount of crow and will likely add a Crimson Trace laser to my 2nd backup gun-the Ruger LCP. When I do, I'll be happy to share results. Remember-a weapons mounted light WILL still show your exact location but a laser will only do so under dusty/smoky conditions. The laser is actually hard to see unless it's pointed toward you, or you see where it shines on.

Dillinger 02-24-2009 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JiroZero713 (Post 74319)

And speaking of CZs...I know I post this alot but


BWAAAR Now this is a add on that actually has a purpose. Stupid....but you know...just purposefully awesome.





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Listen up Navy Boy, if you post that CZ picture with that stupid knife attached one more time, I am going to have canebreak come over there and stretch out your starfish, pistol whip you with a REAL handgun....

JD


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