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Old 10-10-2011, 12:33 AM   #21
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If it is in pieces and non functional..it is exactly what is marked as, machine parts. Nothing illegal about it. Its the same as ordering parts from anywhere else.
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Fedex Express 2day is your best option for sending it Springfield. It DOES NOT have to be overnight as some insist it does.
Got a surprise for you: that policy is set by the company, and both FedEx and UPS require overnight service on any firearm to get it out of their possession as quickly as possible. I went all through this and even went up the food chain on their management. I read the policy from their own book: that is their rule and they abide by it.
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I had the exact same mag issues with my HPC9. When I contacted HP about returning the weapon for repair, they said to put it in a "flat rate" box and Mark it as 'machine parts'. Went through with no issues and came back the same way. $9 total shipping
If you do that with the USPS, you are violating federal law. Only an FFL holder may ship firearms via USPS. If you lie about contents to a private carrier, it may not violate law (?) but if it is discovered they will confiscate it and if it is lost, you can not get re-imbursed.
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If it is in pieces and non functional..it is exactly what is marked as, machine parts. Nothing illegal about it. Its the same as ordering parts from anywhere else.
Dude, all I can say is you're lucky you did not get caught. And FYI: any auto handgun's frame has the serial number on it and is legally considered to be "the firearm" in that collection of machine parts. Go look at Brownells: they sell "blank" receivers for 1911's that are unfinished, and you MUST have an FFL to purchase one. IT"S A GUN.
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Got a surprise for you: that policy is set by the company, and both FedEx and UPS require overnight service on any firearm to get it out of their possession as quickly as possible. I went all through this and even went up the food chain on their management. I read the policy from their own book: that is their rule and they abide by it.
As a frequent user of fedex 2 day for handguns, or a Fedex Contractor.........I disagree.
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Got a surprise for you: that policy is set by the company, and both FedEx and UPS require overnight service on any firearm to get it out of their possession as quickly as possible. I went all through this and even went up the food chain on their management. I read the policy from their own book: that is their rule and they abide by it.
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FedEx Firearm Shipping Regulations -

FedEx shipping Rules.

UPS: Shipping Firearms

UPS Rules.

Neither state that it must be overnight only. FedEx states that, but immediately comes up with the 'ground' option and rules, which means you can ship it alternatively.
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FedEx Firearm Shipping Regulations -

FedEx shipping Rules.

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UPS Rules.

Neither state that it must be overnight only. FedEx states that, but immediately comes up with the 'ground' option and rules, which means you can ship it alternatively.
All I can say is, I READ THE BOOK. I went to the local official shipping stations and read their rule book. No matter what BS they have online, the people who work at the shipping stations go to the book and the book said firearms have to be overnighted. believe me, if there was any legal way to get under the $80 I had to spend to send back the POS Para I had the misfortune of buying, I would have found it. I also talked to the local VPs, same song.
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As a frequent user of fedex 2 day for handguns, or a Fedex Contractor.........I disagree.
OK, UPS.

http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/resources/ship/packaging/guidelines/firearms.html

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Special Procedures for Shipping Firearms
Use These UPS Services for Your Firearm Shipment
UPS accepts packages containing firearms (as defined by Title 18, Chapter 44, and Title 26, Chapter 53 of the United States Code) for transportation from and between licensed importers, licensed manufacturers, licensed dealers, and licensed collectors (as defined in Title 18, Chapter 44 of the United States Code), law enforcement agencies of the United States (or of any department or agency of the United States), law enforcement agencies of any state or department agency (or political subdivision of any state), from and between persons not otherwise prohibited from shipping firearms by federal, state or local law, and when such shipment complies with all federal, state and local laws applicable to the shipper, recipient, and package.

Handguns, as defined by 18 U.S.C. § 921,will be accepted for transportation only via UPS Next Day Air Services, specifically, UPS Next Day Air® Early A.M.®, UPS Next Day Air®, and UPS Next Day Air Saver®. (Note: UPS Express CriticalSM Service is not available for firearms).

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FedEx EXPRESS rules: Firearms

FedEx Express can only accept and deliver firearms between areas served in the U.S. under the following conditions: (1) you agree to tender shipments of firearms to us only when either the shipper or recipient is a licensed manufacturer, licensed importer, licensed dealer or licensed collector and is not prohibited from making such shipments by local, state or federal regulations; (2) the shipper and recipient must be of legal age as identified by applicable state law.


Firearms must be shipped via FedEx Priority Overnight service. FedEx cannot ship or deliver firearms C.O.D. or with a signature release. Upon presenting the package for shipment, the person tendering the shipment to FedEx is required to notify the FedEx employee who accepts the package that the package contains a firearm. The outside of the package must not be marked, labeled or otherwise identify that the package contains a firearm. Firearms shipments cannot be placed in a FedEx Express Drop Box.
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