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Old 01-26-2009, 12:24 PM   #1
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I have recently recived a laser for my AR-15. It turned out to be a total piece of junk! It was very bright, but I could not get the adjustments to work very well at all. I talked to the manufacturer and they sent me a new one. Same problem, so it was not a defective unit. This is the Laser I am trying to return now.
Green Laser Sight w/ Picatinny Rail - LASER SIGHTS by Combathunting.com

I was considering getting another one. I have done some research and this is the next best one i can find at this price point. I know there are several around $400, but I was hoping to stay under $200. Anyone have this laser? Any other suggestions?
Amazon.com: Green Laser Gun Sight high power 25mw average with Attenucap: Sports & Outdoors

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Old 01-29-2009, 02:56 PM   #2
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No one out there has used a laser on thier rifle before?

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No one out there has used a laser on thier rifle before?
Try these, I got mine from them and it works well;

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I was considering getting another one. I have done some research and this is the next best one i can find at this price point. I know there are several around $400, but I was hoping to stay under $200. Anyone have this laser? Any other suggestions?
Are you sure your rail is true to the barrel?
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I tested that. I am using a 2 rail setup on my front tower sight. I thought "maybe the rails are not aligned with the barrel" and I tried to adjust them a little. It didnt help.

But bottom line, when I adjusted the original laser using the wiered 3 screw system the laser did not move much at all, so even if the rail wasnt stright, the adjustments didnt work anyway.

Also I would prefer a green laser (powerful) as it is easier to see in the daylight, and if anyone has any experiance with one they trust I would appreciate any recomendations.

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I tested that. I am using a 2 rail setup on my front tower sight. I thought "maybe the rails are not aligned with the barrel" and I tried to adjust them a little. It didnt help.

But bottom line, when I adjusted the original laser using the wiered 3 screw system the laser did not move much at all, so even if the rail wasnt stright, the adjustments didnt work anyway.

Also I would prefer a green laser (powerful) as it is easier to see in the daylight, and if anyone has any experiance with one they trust I would appreciate any recomendations.
Here's a hint; NO laser, save some gub-mint satellite-melting weapons-grade unit works in daylight. If you mean low-light, dusk etc, the green may have some advantage seeing wise, but remember that visibility works both ways! Green lasers are extremely easy to back follow allowing the BG's to target you!

When you hard mount the laser to the rail do you pay attention to the indexing diagram on the output end of the unit?

If yes, forget about that step. Make sure your adjustment screws are centered (equal adjustment available in + & - direction for each axis) and finger tighten the mounting rings.

NOTE: set your target distance to what you expect to shoot, read: if the laser is going to be used for clearing rooms, don't set the target distance during set-up at 50' when the weapon's intended use is <15'. (See later note.)

When you do your initial sight-in, and before you touch the adjustment screws, try twisting the laser module to find the closest position to bulls eye. (This is much easier when using a bore laser in conjunction with the new laser module.) Then tighten the mounting rings. REMOVE the bore laser and throw your first round down range. Now walk the rounds in while using the adjustment screws. Shoot a minimum of three (more to achieve greater accuracy) rounds before making the next adjustment. Work one axis at a time; otherwise you will be chasing your tail! Once the vertical or horizontal is dialed in, move to the other and walk it in till you get it right. (The opposite will change) When this axis is on mark then switch back to the other and start over. You must do this, as many times as it takes to get it right!

Later note: This will save your life, pay attention.
First, keep the laser protected as you would with any optics. Retains accuracy, and be sure to keep fresh batteries! Do not long store with batteries installed!
Here’s the really important part. Now that you have the laser dialed in, let me teach you the true meaning of parallax. Changing nothing other than target distance, and reinstalling the bore site-laser, move the target 10’ down range and put the sighting laser on the bulls eye and look where the bore laser is located! Write it down! Now move the target another 10’ down range, and record the change. If you do not have a bore laser, throw a round down range at each distance change, when you walk to the target to change to the next distance, mark each hit with what distance was shot. Depending on your rail type and where on the rifle you mount the laser, you will have empirical data showing the parallax at greater/less than set up target distance.

Memorize and practice adjusting the laser dot location with distances other than set-up.

It could save your life by providing a hit with adapting rather than a miss!
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All good info. One big problem with my first laser was that there were 3 adjustment screws... not 2.... It did not adjust x and y. around the head of the laser were 3 screws in a triangle pattern. As you tightend or loosened those screws it would move in that direction (1 of 3). Just not enoph to line up with my scope.

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What AR configuration are you running?

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I got a Bushmaster AR-15 that will take either 5.56 or .223. Collapsoable stock. Flat top picany rail with a 3-9x scope mounted. It has a heavy Barrel and the longer standard heatshield. Dual rails sandwiched on the front tower sight with a flashlight (and hopefully soon a green laser). And a rail on the bayonet lug with a bipod mounted there.

Coudnt find a pic online of my model and I dont have any pictures of mine on the web. It shoots great, I think i have only ever had one malfunction the first time I shot it.

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All the lasers I've seen with three screws used one screw for
windage, one for elevation, and the third screw was a lock to
hold the settings.

Usually 2 screws at 90 degrees to each other, and the
lock screw at 45 degrees or directly opposite 45 degrees.

Loosen lock screw, adjust, tighten lockscrew. Cuss a lot
because when you tighten the lockscrew the settings change.
Repeat.

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