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billt 08-06-2008 05:25 PM

Bushnell 4200 Elite Tactical vs. Leupold Mark 4?
I have 2 Savages I'm going to be scoping out later this fall. An 12 F/TR and a 10 FP, both in .308. I'm looking for opinions on the Bushnell 4200 Elite Tactical, 6-24X 50MM and the Leupold Mark 4, 8.5-25X 50MM. There is a significant price difference between these 2 models, and both receive good reviews. I'd like opinions from someone who has both. My original plan was to put the Bushnell on the 10 FP, and the Leupold on the 12 F/TR. Does the Leupold excel enough to warrant the cost? I have several Leupolds that I've purchased over the years, and all have served me well, but I know Bushnell has produced some very good optics. Opinions? Bill T.

jeepcreep927 08-06-2008 06:46 PM

The trend lately is to pay more for the scope than the rifle. Seems to be pretty well accepted. Depending on what you're planning to do with them would seem to dictate the proper scope. I have a Remington LTR in .308 that wears a Leupold VXIII 4.5-14x40 AO. I can do dime groups at 100 yards and am still developing loads. It had a Bushnell 3500 on it before, and I had the same results. It was not as clear or sharp as the Leupold, but it was good enough for me to shoot to my potential for now. Bushnell's 4200 has a good rep and the 6500 is supposed to be the cat's pajamas. If you want a decent scope for hunting (easy minute of pdog) and targets (not formal competition), I would go with the Bushnell. If it's a life or death deal like your on a tac team or something, Mark 4.
If you buy the "tactical" models, some pretty serious study and more serious range time is required for proper use of the adjustable turrets like knowing your zero and recording it so it's consistantly repeatable, reading wind, estimating range etc. Otherwise there just whizzy things on the scope. If you can put the time into knowing exactly how to use that feature it's great. If not than you're paying for something you don't need. There several models that have reticles
showing pre determined approximate ranges based on "average" size for particular animals (Leupold VXIII Varmint hunter reticle for example) that correspond to a particular caliber and bullet weight relative to a specified velocity. This works well for me without the need to start twisting knobs. I am not implying you don't know how to properly use adjustable turrets so please don't think that, just a heads up. Good luck.

cpttango30 08-07-2008 01:23 AM

If you are going to shoot F-class with the F/TR You are going to want some higher power glass on top. 24x at 1000yards is at the very bottom end. Most of the guys where I go are shooting 12-42x55mm Nightforce.

matt g 08-07-2008 03:11 AM


Originally Posted by cpttango30 (Post 35115)
If you are going to shoot F-class with the F/TR You are going to want some higher power glass on top. 24x at 1000yards is at the very bottom end. Most of the guys where I go are shooting 12-42x55mm Nightforce.

Nightforce scopes

billt 08-07-2008 12:52 PM

I'm going to be setting both of these rifles up for 1,000 yard shooting. Based on that I have to go with a 30 MM tube because they are the only models that have the amount of elevation needed for this type of shooting, (80 to 90 minutes of elevation). Both the Bushnell 4200 Elite Tactical and the Leupold Mark 4 have this. I have a C&R License, and get dealer prices from Midway. I can get the Leupold Mark 4, 8.5-25X, 50MM for $993.00, (non illuminated reticle), and the Bushnell 4200 Elite Tactical for $575.00. Forget Nightforce. They don't give dealer prices. At least not from Midway. If I want the same features such as side focus in a higher magnification model in a Nightforce I'm looking at over $1,800.00, or near double what the Leupold runs. Bill T.

billt 08-07-2008 01:12 PM

Leupold Mark 4

Bushnell 4200 Elite Tactical

cpttango30 08-07-2008 03:20 PM

You might want to look at the new March scopes.

Leupold has eye relief problems. Mine moves over 3" from 6 to 18x That drives me nuckin futs. From what I have seen Nightforce does not and they are bullet proof.

Good god there are places with much better prices than Midway. Plus Midway is a effin ripoff on shipping anymore.

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